Talk:Ardvark the Aardvark

Transwiki History (article page)

 * 25 June 2005 209.212.72.118
 * 22:52, 23 December 2004 Dysprosia m (NO. vfd)
 * 21:55, 23 December 2004 Sj
 * 21:49, 23 December 2004 Sj

Transwikied Talk Page
Please take another look at the Ardvark the Aardvark series before marking it for deletion. This is a completely cc-by-sa project focusing on creating free and open educational children's books. This first book includes a lesson on homonyms and tricks for remembering the difference between there their and they're.

This is paired with the (also cc-by-sa) artwork over at Wikimedia commons, and once assembled, has the potential to be the basis for a number of community created educational children's works with a fun and familiar set of characters. Glitch010101 15:55, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Hi Glitch, you should consider uploading your content to OurMedia, a new archive.org project. It seems well suited to their repository, even if people decide that consensus is against keeping fiction on Wikibooks.  Sj 08:04, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Wow, I just looked at the OurMedia project and it looks really exciting. Thanks! Glitch010101 21:17, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * NOTE: he did eventually take it there, see http://www.ourmedia.org/node/3216. Garrett 14:13, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Transwiki History (talk page)

 * 09:17, 15 February 2005 Glitch010101 (response to ourmedia suggestion)
 * 20:04, 5 February 2005 Sj
 * 20:04, 5 February 2005 68.163.134.117
 * 03:57, 24 December 2004 Glitch010101 (appeal for non-deletion)

Original Vfd from Wikibooks
This is the Wikibooks Vfd. IT IS NOT a vote to remove it from the Novelas Wikicity.

The history has not been copied, as it came from the centalised and eternal Wikibooks:Votes for deletion.

What Wikibooks is not, #4, fiction. Dysprosia 10:54, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Please take another look at the Ardvark The Aardvark series before deletion. This is a completely cc-by-sa project focusing on creating free and open educational children's books. The first book includes a lesson on homonyms and tricks for remembering the difference between there their and they're.


 * This is paired with the (also cc-by-sa) artwork over at Wikimedia, and once assembled, has the potential to be the basis for a number of community created educational children's works with a fun and familiar set of characters. Glitch010101 13:40, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

So, is the book CC or GFDL? If it's not also licensed under GFDL it shouldn't belong on the servers. --MShonle 02:53, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * The 'homonyms' you describe are not homonyms at all. They are homophones. 163.1.159.21 12:47, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm not voting, but if this is to be deleted from here, it could be copied to the Fiction Wikicity first. Angela 22:47, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep and discuss the issue. I think Wikibooks should allow for collaborative fiction, or at least work on clarifying that aspect of "what it is not." Sj 20:03, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fiction of any kind, including collaborative fiction, should be treated the same as original research.  I think the Wikimedia projects are just not the place for this. TUF-KAT 05:18, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep. There's also a wikibook "Jokes", which isn't really reality either. Educational fiction is fine. Guaka 11:57, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete. Licensing issues aside, collaborative fiction is considered OR under WB:WIN.  At any rate, the fate of this vote will largely determine whether fiction for the purposes of education belongs on wikibooks. KelvSYC 03:37, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete: Reluctantly, because a lot of work has obviously gone into writing it. But, if I interpret What Wikibooks is not correctly, then it has to go. I hope a place is found for it somewhere, because it deserves to be read. (Donovan|Geocachernemesis|Interact) 05:53, 30 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep: Fiction for the purposes of education should fit in with our purposes - is it really any different to the use of "Practice Dialogues" say in the Foreign Language learning Wikibooks? It could also fit in well with WikiJunior Serge 22:38, Jun 30, 2005


 * Delete: Reluctantly, because the book is very good. But this is just not the right place for it. It would be a great book on an appropriate site such as Fiction Wikicity (see above). Practice dialogues are used as examples in a non-fiction text - it's like using hypothetical situations in science, psychology, etc. But this is out-and-out fiction.
 * This vote unsigned, and thus not counted unless the original author cares to sign it. - Aya T C 19:04, 2 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep: the word "textbook" is just meaningless for under-12s if this kind of material is excluded --Taejo 17:15, 14 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep: this is a great example of the kinds of 'textbooks' I had growing up (grades 1 and 2). My father (a missionary kid) also had similar 'textbooks' when he was a kid - I know this because we inherited them.  They were so entertaining to read that I didn't realize we were learning anything.  Similar material is often used for learning to read or in English classes. --Phibian 13:49, 21 July 2005


 * Keep: "As such we do not allow original writing that is not educational or instructional, such as original works of fiction, original literature, or original research in any field." - Omegatron 20:36, 22 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep: I came here specifically looking for early childhood texts. I was disappointed at the vast lack of them.  Killing the only living example would be horrid. Josh Parris 07:26, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep. As per WWIN, this book is educational so it is allowed on Wikibooks. ("we do not allow original writing that is not educational or instructional") --Brian0918 16:49, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete - Wikibooks needs to stay non-fiction. Wikifiction has a discussion about a fiction-based Wikimedia project that would be able to take content such as this.  Otherwise, it really should be moved to Wikicities.  While educational in nature, it doesn't fit the textbook nature of Wikibooks in general.  Allowing this content to remain on Wikipedia opens a whole pandora's box of possibilities that we really don't want to include here yet.  --Rob Horning 18:40, 4 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep - Wow, I had no idea this discussion was still going on! I was going to vote neutral, and please fee free to discount my vote since I'm the author, but I really have thought about this for wikibooks and I believe that educational texts need not be restricted to the classical definition of 'textbook', especially for younger students. Many thanks to the anonymous user above who clarified that theres are, in fact, homophones and not homonyms. My mistake! I'll edit the text soon to fix that. Finally, as far as the license, I'm perfectly happy to dual license it under the GFDL as well, in fact I believe that I had to consent to that to include it here originially. In my understanding, CC-BY-SA and GFDL are almost identical, with the exception of the fact that I'm not sure if you have to attribute the author in the GFDL. CC-BY-SA is accepted at the wikimedia commons - Can anyone help clarify or advise? - Glitch010101 18:53, 5 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep unitl it can be transwiki'ed -- Given that it actually is under GFDL too, I think we should keep it for now. Children's books are instructional resources and until a wikifiction site or a fiction wikicity is created to house this, we should hold it. MShonle 20:31, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
 * As Angela already pointed out above - Fiction Wikicity - Aya T C 00:26, 6 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment - So this book is "educational fiction", is it? Was I the only one to notice this? WB:WIN point #4 states:
 * As such we do not allow original writing that is not educational or instructional, such as original works of fiction, original literature, or original research in any field.
 * Now, if you read that as...
 * As such we do not allow original writing that is not educational or instructional, such as original works of fiction, original literature, or original research in any field.
 * ...it's okay, but if you read it as...
 * As such we do not allow original writing that is not educational or instructional, such as original works of fiction, original literature, or original research in any field.
 * ...it's not. Hilarious. Paradoxes rock. Perhaps this entire VFD section should form the beginnings of a new BJAODN for Wikibooks? It would seem the author of that particular gem seems to believe that fiction can never be educational. Oh well. Don't worry. I'm in the process of sorting out this particular document. Probably a waste of time to continue voting until I'm done. See Wikibooks talk:Deletion policy for the gory details. - Aya T C 00:26, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Okay. I've updated About, which now makes it clear that fiction is a no-no, and should go to novelas.wikicities.com. If anyone want to transwiki this, let me know ASAP. - Aya T C 00:26, 9 August 2005 (UTC)