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VirileMail
Thanks for your notes about "VirileMail" (and I'm not sure I found all your notes!). I guess I wrote most of the story, but it was a collaborative effort and I was really trying to respect the other contributors. There is a jumble of stuff in VirileMail/6 that I do not really like, but I felt bad about deleting anything from other authors of the story.....so I just gave up....I ended up feeling that some contributions from others were really not intended to be constructive. I got involved with other wiki projects and yada yada yada never got back to this wiki. Will I be able to continue working on "VirileMail"? I'm not sure. It would be nice to have a collaborator. --JWSchmidt 02:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There is an old "tentative plot proposal" at VirileMail:meta. As a biologist, I am particularly interested in trying to create a plausible account of how humans might be genetically modified so as to make them optimized hosts for a nanorobotic artificial life form. The key technical issue has to do with the interface between a human brain and the nanorobotic artificial life forms that have come to Earth."wormhole" <-- I was thinking that for this story there might be no faster-than-light travel. The reason that these aliens reach Earth as nanorobotic AIs is that biological entities are not suited for the long periods of time required for interstellar travel. --JWSchmidt 04:28, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Joe becomes mentally ill...go to a hospital to recover <-- This is a good idea. The story needs some "graceful" way for Joe to distance himself from the "virile mail" project, but I want to find a way to keep Joe in the story as the main character. "He tells everything to Chloe when she visits him there and they plan that Chloe goes against the mysterious thing that makes them forget." I think this should work, but it is not clear to me that Chloe will be of much use beyond being able to keep Joe informed about what is going on within "virile mail" project even after Joe stops working on the project. So far, (see VirileMail/2008) I only have a vague idea of how it is possible for Joe to escape from the control of the aliens. I've been thinking that he might never totally escape (the alien nano probes never leave his brain) but he finds ways to keep refreshing and regaining his memories even when the nano probes make him forget something.


 * "the plot is similar to the Invasion of the body snatchers movie" <-- I think I have seen (on TV) at least parts of the original movie. Thanks for mentioning this connection because I had not thought about it.


 * "the happy ending, I don't think it is happy at all. Living with a parasite organism inside one's brain is not good for anyone, I think." <-- My goal is this: it will become clear that there are some "advantages" to having a Level 2 DETI in your brain. In particular, the alien technology that allows full integration of an alien nanorobotic life form with a human brain step 5 would provide the human "host" to have a kind of direct brain access to computerized systems. I'm thinking of this as a path towards Mind uploading, a possible topic for "Book 2" in series that starts with VirileMail. In short, some humans might volunteer to be hosts. However, I think most human hosts would be "invaded" by the nano probes at a young age and grow up as a kind of human-alien hybrid. --JWSchmidt 19:52, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * "did you work on a software project or the like?" <-- sad to say, no, but I do have a long-standing interest in artificial intelligence. --JWSchmidt 00:04, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

From IRC
Janek said, "Me heap big computer...me pass Turing test now, for sure!"

Shout
"the Shout box" <-- cool, but it took me an hour and a half to get there after you :(

"I am not a native English speaker" <-- wow, it is great that you can write in English. I know a small amount of Spanish, but I would never be able to write something coherent in Spanish.--JWSchmidt 17:32, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

The end of eternity
The idea that robots were involved with time travel and Eternity is in Foundation's Edge, see the discussion at this wikipedia page. --JWSchmidt 01:01, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

"Therefore, it is said, it was the robots who established Eternity somehow and became the Eternals. They located a Reality in which they felt that human beings could be as secure as possible – alone in the Galaxy. Then… the robots of their own accord ceased to function."(Foundation's Edge, chapter 74)

missed you on IRC
"AI created the Eternity...maybe they were nanobots too" <-- I'm not sure it would be fair to introduce nanobots into the SF universe of Asimov.

sequel to The End of Eternity
1) Imagine that life is fairly common in the universe, but development of species with the ability to invent and use interstellar space travel is a rare event. Imagine that interstellar space travel (based on hyperspatial jumps) is finally developed by a biological life form which sends out explorers with the goal of finding worlds that have life and modifying that life to make it evolve as did their species, so as to be able to invent and use interstellar space travel. These aliens eventually reach our galaxy and genetically modify many species on many different planets, including Earth. The aliens complete their work in our galaxy and move on to other galaxies. This creates the conditions for the story that is told in The End of Eternity.

2) Assume that the "hint" from Foundation's Edge is true: that Earth robots established Eternity and use Eternity as a tool to "select" a reality in which humans alone spread and dominate the worlds of our galaxy. Everything is just as Asimov originally described it in his work, right through the development of the Galactic Empire and the Foundation.

3) Now the fun begins! Assume that Noys was a liar. The "Basic State" is not a human-dominated galaxy but, rather, a galaxy in which multiple species with space travel share the galaxy. Eventually, there is a new visit to our galaxy by more of the original aliens who seeded the galaxy (and Earth) so as to promote the development of multiple space-faring species. The aliens are now surprised to find that humans control the entire galaxy. The aliens eventually realize that humans developed time travel technology (something they had assumed to be impossible) and used it as a tool to accelerate their development of space travel. The aliens decide to try to return our galaxy to its true "Basic State".

4) The aliens are particularly unhappy with the fact that it was Earth's robots who created Eternity and that Earth's robots have exerted their control over the Galactic Empire, resulting in a "safe" but rather uninteresting galactic civilization (Galaxia). The sequel to "The end of eternity" starts after the end of Asimov's "Foundation and Earth". The aliens discover Daneel's base on Earth's Moon and learn that it retains a functioning portal to Eternity. The aliens initiate a project that will make use of time travel to return the galaxy to its true "Basic State". Someone must return to the 1930s and prevent Noys from completing her mission.--JWSchmidt 07:01, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * "I want to try to write a story in collaboration... Maybe that or another one, but from scratch." <-- That would be nice. For time travel stories in which people can go into the past and change things a key issue seems to be: if you go to all the trouble to change things in one way, how do you make sure someone else will not come along later and change things again? In Asimov's universe, the robots were in control of time travel technology and they were limited in their use of the technology by the Laws of Robotics. I find it hard to imagine that the robots working with Daneel would have been unable to resist keeping Eternity running in some form and using Eternity to look into the future, allowing them to anticipate and correct for undesirable changes in the Galactic Empire. If the aliens step in and make use of the time travel technology, could they do so in such a way that when they are done changing things than an absolutely solid type of prevention of more time travel would be put into place in the end, that is, destroying the technology of Eternity and making sure that this technology would not be rediscovered/rebuilt? --JWSchmidt 20:47, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * "the aliens try to close Eternity after they are done .... but forbidding such a thing would be impossible" <-- I agree, but it seems like the "Foundation Reality" selected by robots working under the Laws of Robotics and they could have selected a VERY unlikely reality in which Giscard became telepathic. Maybe Giscard's kind of telepathy is so strange that it does not arise anywhere else in the universe, making it a truly unusual technological development...almost a magical event. And this would seem to mean that the Foundation Reality was generated by two nearly magical events, because Eternity was made possible by some kind of "strange loop" by which Eternity was required for its own creation! --JWSchmidt 00:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Possible alternative title: "The Final Reality"--JWSchmidt 16:32, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "It should be called The Restart of Eternity, because it is after the end, a restart based on the Moon portal." <-- The name can be changed, but there was a reason for me to try "start" rather than "restart". The robots on the Moon have access to records that have been kept within Eternity....records of all past Earth Realities....in particular, records of the Original Earth Reality in which time travel was first discovered. I'm suggesting that within this proposed sequel to "The End of Eternity" we will learn important details about the start of Eternity. The aliens will work with the robots on the Moon to engineer a Final Reality. The aliens would prefer that in this new Reality (the Final Reality) there be no development of the technology that allows for the existence of Eternals. I'm proposing that there is a direct link between the technology that allows telepathy and the development of technology that allows for the existence of Eternals. Because of this causal link between the development of telepathy and the development of time travel the aliens want a Final Reality that will not allow either telepathy or Eternals. However, I'm thinking that the robots get the "last laugh" by finding a Final Reality in which the aliens believe they were successful in eliminating Eternals, but some robots secretly remain as Eternals. The aliens are satisfied because the galaxy becomes a "normal galaxy" with multiple intelligent species that can productively integrate its civilization with those of other galaxies. The robots are happy because they do get to start Eternity in the Final Reality....they just keep it a secret.

Galaxia, Huaoshy, right-brain
"Galaxia....a good weapon against the telepathy of the Huaoshy" <-- I'm still trying to clarify my thinking about telepathy.

"VirileMail....the nanobots affect the right-brain" <-- Good idea. "the psychiatrist can order an EEG and find out that his right hemisphere seems to have an anomalous functioning" <-- I do like the idea of Joe initially going to a hospital as a patient but then getting some help in understanding what is going on. He might get a functional magnetic resonance scan as part of an attempt to diagnose his "illness" and its strange results would allow his doctor to start believing Joe's unusual story.--JWSchmidt 21:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

VirileMail/7
Sorry I missed you on IRC. I'm now going to take a close look at The actual interview. --JWSchmidt 01:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

New section
I put some ideas for the rest of Chapter 7 at VirileMail:meta/timeline. --JWSchmidt 07:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Science Fiction collaboration award
In recognition for stellar work in Science Fiction collaboration,I give you the first annual Rigelian Constellation Award.--JWSchmidt 15:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

madness
"I am mad at the titles" <-- Maybe we should have part of the story in which the AI (Janek/JObot) goes through agony trying to create a name for itself...then that name will be the name of the entire novel. --JWSchmidt 20:59, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

stop editing thing incorrectly
how about you leave thing alone that you have now copyright in or have no knowledge in pivorod 02:28, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

this was only a helpful tip to anyone who needs it pivorod 01:29, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

incorrectly editing deep vortex and Toam spendilten
has anyone ever read deep vortexI tried to go back there but when I got there all the info ad gone thanx a-lot to Serprexpivorod 02:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

thanx to all that are beta editing Deep vortex and trying to make it more readablepivorod 01:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Whatever that was about ...
What does beuneeventoe mean?? Akira Otomo Talk | Contributions 21:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * My laptop won't display IRC protocoal. Sorry. Akira Otomo Talk | Contributions 21:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Questions of my own: Thanks, Akira Otomo Talk | Contributions 21:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) I used Paint Shop Pro 8 to merge the scenes in Supernovas, and I took the picture of the waterfall in Scotland.
 * 2) I created the character.
 * 1) Have you been looking at my deviantART accpount?
 * 2) What is this site for? Just writing stories and getting them marked? 'Cos that's cool!
 * That girl was a boy ...

Joke?
Can you explain this edit? --JWSchmidt 18:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

A) Why are you tagging this page for deletion? B)It'd be much simpler if you hadn't destroyed the category you supplied me with. Now I'll have to sift through the delete category since you've filled it with things that don't need to be deleted (On further inspect, I've seen that Yunz did much of the work. Though you messaged me afterwards. Much sense lacking)User:Serprex 22:46, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

No, when I sent you the message, YZH had not deleted them yet. My mistake was to delete the category, sorry. But you could still check Category:Pages for Deletion, instead, there are a lot of them there. 23:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Main page changes
Greetings Davichito,

I have my reasons for rolling back the main page, including 1) simplicity to newcomers and 2) professional look, among others. I wanted to transition Novelas toward a Web 2.0 appearance, and it had done well for the past few months.

I saw no discussions regarding your changes either on Talk:Main Page or on the forums either, so I didn't feel inclined to explain my actions more than on the edit summary. Now, if you have major concerns about any of your changes that you think should be restored, please do tell me, and then we can go over the pros and cons, okay?

Peace, 01:36, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

You may wish to export the spanish works from Novelas, since it was originally spanish and thus has a well hidden spanish sectionUser:Serprex 14:32, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Blanking
When removing things like that from multiple pages that are that small, please use an edit summary so as not to cause a "page blank" Thanks. --Charitwo 22:38, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up but i will stay at this site. In fact i've got a story, which i've just completed at school and so i might post it on here to get some feedback for the final draft. It's called Sleep Tight. Have a look if you want when the page is finished.

Ficciones
Greetings Davichito,

At some point or another, you've already made your point leaving so many links to Ficciones. You've been in my good graces so far, which is why I haven't become too irritated, but keep in mind that when I tried to post just a few links on Althist, the admin there declared it to be spamming and wrongfully blocked me.

You've ready posted stuff on sitenotice, on the main page x2, on user talk pages x50, on Template:Requests, etc. I think it's enough.

The two sites aren't affiliated, in that your site doesn't have any prominent links from your main page to Novelas's, so you shouldn't get angry when you see me remove all those links you put up. Now, you can do what SWGames did and petition for the two sites to be affiliated...

Peace, 21:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I put Creative Hub there with a link to Fiction; so, I think that is a prominent link... If you plan to remove all the advertisement, leave at least one link, if you want. 01:34, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Greetings from Novelas...
Hi Davichito,

(¿Quizá debería escribirte en español?) I was the founder of Novelas on Wikia in a time where the concept of Wiki fiction was not developed (I looked for it in many wiki sites and couldn't find a wiki site for general fiction, though specialized fanfic wiki sites already existed).

When I left Novelas, the idea was sill quite unpopular (that's why I left it). Now you make me know how popular it is these days, with a couple of multilingual fiction wikis here in Wikia (Fiction and Novelas).

I thank you for your invitation, but you should understand that, after abandoning a project I founded, I'm not going to start writing here. I should first retake that project I abandoned in a time of crisis and lack of spirit, a project that, despite of my treachery has grow more and more popular.

I really like to meet people with all the spirit, heart and creativity I had in the past. I invite all fiction users to take part in Novelas, and to develope mixed projects. I wish you luck with this project.--Jmoysae 08:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC) (i forgot the signature)

bad link
The link (Ficciones) on the main page does not work for me. --JWSchmidt 18:18, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

It has to be Ficciones, without the "es" part. 18:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Puestos a colaborar...
No me importa en absoluto mantener la colaboración en el wiki-jote. Lo que más me molestó, en realidad, fue que no ampliaras la historia...

Por otra parte, en novelas hay varios artículos que se pueden ampliar...--Jmoysae 09:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Hola Davi,ayuda
espero y creo q entendes y hablas español, ¿es asi? muy buena la seccion "ficciones", voy a comensar a escribir hay. ¿una vez cree por algun rincon de internet una pagina con a funcion de ficciones colaborativas, pero la falta de promocion y mi bajo webmasterismo la estancaron, esperemos q esta valla mejor. ¿porque mis herramientas de edicion en wikia esan en ingles? como puedo hacer para q esten en castellano? ¿tengo q crearme algun nuevo usuario en algun lado? dice "Hide Editing Tips - Enter Widescreen" y "how to makes links" edito textos en español, pero me gustaria q las herrameientas estuvieran en ese idioma, como sucede en wikipedia. desde ya muchas gracias. voy a ver algo de todo eso q has escrito, talves le puede agregar algun nuevo angulo.--Fero 17:11, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

The whole listusers, do recall that most of them left before YZH was even on Novelas and a few of them are dupes (As you should know yourself). But yes, a squabble over Never caused Olsdude to leaveUser:Serprex 00:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I did not know. The point was that YZH sometimes make people leave. I have thought about leaving several times. And I think I am not the only one... 00:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your recent contributions to the site and other peoples' stories. It is much appreciated. Also, what's with the main page now? It's ugly, and we reverted to that old logo? 05:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it looks better. We should get around to using THAT page. However, I suggest replacing the recent works with the featured works because we won't need to update as often, because new works come in all the time. And the things at the bottom should be put up near the top, so it's easier to find vital information and such. 17:30, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Ya, I probably should of done that the first time you asked. Might of been a bit tired at the time though, never really feel like doing much during those periodsUser:Serprex 17:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

All of you can meet me in Ficciones now, good bye. David 18:10, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Monogram
Davichito, thanks for your comment on the monogram talkpage. With every chapter, this gets scarier and scarier. I have written a new one, just thought you might want to know. Plus, I also want your oppinion on This other short story I wrote. It got a huge hit when I read it to the class. Pirakafreak24 ( Talk to me ) Admin at Disney Channel wiki, Michael Crichton wiki, and ADJL wiki. 03:53, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Monogram Edits
Please refrain from using "crap" in my book. -- Pirakafreak24 ( Talk to me ) Thank you! Thank You!. 23:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

What ever happened to this Wiki?
A message to User:Davichito: Why do not you come back to this wiki? You say you left but you keep writing here! Just make it official! I checked your wiki, and... man... that is a desert... Just abandon that freaking place of loneliness and come back! The old admin is not here anymore! Novelas is a hybrid spanish/english wiki after all, and Ficciones is overlapping it (Because Ficciones is meant to be a spanish/english hybrid too!)... and overlaps do not benefit any wiki!

IT IS TIME TO REBUILD THIS WIKI!Dionysos 14:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

You've been saying you're going to go for the past two monthes. Why not cut it off with the forever in a state of goodbye state and listen to Dionysos on the point of just accepting that your reasons for leaving are on the whole nullified?User:Serprex 18:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

What you call arguing I call discussion. So just remember that you aren't unwelcome. As for Dionysos, have you read Asimov's Foundations? One of the solutions to a problem was doing nothing if I recall. Apathy calms the stormUser:Serprex 18:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Retired!
Why would you leave such a great wiki? This wiki is one of the best I've known. I need help with Monogram. Thanks to Homework, me writing my other novel to be sold as an actual book, and HOMEWORK! I've had no time! Can anyone else help me? -- Pirakafreak24 ( Leave a Message ) <font color="Blue">I can sing! Ha!. 23:51, 5 October 2008 (UTC)