User talk:Melon247

please forgive me to everyone here this something i would love to develop as a story i consider dialog as a complete fiction athougth it tooked place no one in this dialog is wrong or right i just wanted to do something like davids cyad but with diffrent ideas if you wish to delete you all welcome peace love

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Serprex (Talk) 09:45, 5 May 2009

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Hello Wikia bot thingy. Or Serprex, I guess I should be saying hi to :). Is there some kind of special page to watch the subpages of a page on this site? --Melon247 09:50, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks and I'll Take That as a Compliment and as a Nice Gesture
Thanks and I'll take that as both a compliment and a nice gesture. &#91;&#91;Ericthebrainiac&#93;&#93; 00:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I've been thinking it over as I search for other websites to look for things on the computer, do you want to work with me on My Beloved Girlfriend because I am currently in Chapter 10 of the story and I figured that you and I could do Chapters 10 through 20 of the story together and, if you want to bring some of your friends into the action, they could help also. &#91;&#91;Ericthebrainiac&#93;&#93; 00:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Collaboration
There's no "collaboration of the month" yet since this site is focused to writing your own. JWSchmidt, I, maximus and others have tried to push collaboration on the site... or at least a system of feedback. This site needs that people reads each other stories imho (I consider feedback is very important for amateur authors like us) and it would be great that there be more stories in collaboration. But collaboration is a complex issue and one thing that not everyone is good at. It's a thing that needs some kind of learning and skills in working in teams. The search for Kalid and VirileMail are one of the biggest stories written in collaboration, although the first one is still incomplete. There are other collaboration works, such as 2084. The trick to achieve collaboration, I think, is not putting many restrictions on what people may edit. That sense of freedom, used in improvisation theater, could be useful for that. I think that we would have to create a "Collaboration of the month" when we have many collaborations on this site. For the moment, we have the Featured fiction section.

Also, collaboration needs more than requesting it. For instance, Erick got me to help in his story but I requested a meta or coming to IRC to coordinate details and he did not like that approach. I think a meta or some kind of plan for a story is very useful and sometimes mandatory to make a story in collaboration. Otherwise, you get 2 stories written from 2 different points of view and mixed in a weird way. Collaboration needs people to improve their feedback skills and sinergy. I mention him again because I want to make clear that my comments in his talk page were not rude, my intention was to help... although I realize my words might not have had that effect. --Davinci - talk 18:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Hahaha. I don't shout at the net. About collaboration, it's possible. Check VirileMail, probably one of the biggest effort in collaboration, too many users helped write it and it has internal consistency. The main part and plot was written by JWSchmidt up to chapter 6 and then I joined the effort. Check VirileMail/How the story was created. I think we merged our writing styles very well; there are parts we did not remember who wrote which paragraph, for instance. Collaboration requires a lot of communication though, we first used talk pages but to really be able to go on we went to IRC to discuss the plot in real time. In the professional author world, collaboration has even be achieved through letters. Wiki is a nice medium since each author can correct or modify all the content wherever he sees fit.

I never thought I could be good at collaboration, I liked to write my own. We cannot know if we are at good at it, in advance. I feel scared when JWSchmidt asked me to collaborate (I am not a native English speaker). But the result was nice. Then we did the same with The search for Kalid. This time the initial idea was mine and we both grew the story into a novel with a complex plot. Collaboration is very nice because it helps combat writer's block and the resulting story has the best of both authors (if achieved properly).

For a collaboration to succeed, each writer must try to understand the other, almost completely. That is why we create a meta. Also, it needs each writer is willing to sacrifice parts of his vision for the story... sometimes there are conflicting ideas about certain parts but mutual agreement can be found. Each writer must thus have no "fixed position" on most parts of the story, I think. When a writer begins putting many limits... the collaborations stops or pauses.

I have been thinking on ways to "push" collaboration on this site. I created Complete'em and other sections for that. Right now I am planning an experiment in "random" collaboration, that is, without a meta or a plot. Each writer adds some paragraphs to a story, trying to guess what the author of the last paragraphs had in mind. Thus, the story advances with no clear goal... maybe something nice comes up, maybe not.

>Then you'd just get parts of the story written one way, and other parts written in another.

It can happen. Indeed, it happened in My Beloved Girlfriend. I tried to figure out what Eric wanted and I added my parts. But since we have never discussed the plot (he has been unable to do it) the result is somewhat strange. I did not realize he was writing in present tense and then I put all my parts in past tense... My parts were so big and descriptive, unlike his. I don't put links to every character or place but he does... etc. It's why the first 3 chapters of his story look so different to the rest, I guess. Besides, I don't know how to write scripts so I just wrote a normal story. And... when I wanted to know what to do next or where the story was heading I got no reply from him. So, I concluded communication was failing and as I believe communication is something central for collaboration... I collaborated no more. Maybe other writers can collaborate with him but I guess I cannot.

But that's what communication is for. By proper talking and listening, the story can become a consistent system instead of a sum of parts.

P.S. I might have sounded rude to Ericthebrainiac but I'm not. It's just he has bugged me and everyone in here about writing his story (which is not collaboration, imho) a thousand times so I wanted him to see my points on view on that matter. Imagine reading everyday a message such as "you can write chapters xx of MBG today and..." etc, etc. Last thing, check Category:Collaboration for other examples of collaborative stories in here.

Sorry if I repeated or stressed some parts about this theme. I had forgotten I had already written a post about this, haha. --Davinci - talk 15:56, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

It's nice you say your opinions, Melon. Eric might need to know other users' feedback. I had not seen it from that point of view... New users might think MBG is the only story around or something. I want people to collaborate in these new projects: Collaboration 2009, One-paragraph-at-a-time but I would never post the links in a talk page (except this time). I think Recentchanges is enough "advertising". --Davinci - talk 18:48, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I am reading your The Lost Cat and it's very good, actually. Not the type of story I usually read, you got me interested in the fate of that cat. Good job! It has lots of action and suspense. --Davinci - talk 17:51, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

That greeting you received was a bot. But if you want to say hi, then helloUser:Serprex 13:49, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Exclamation Marks are Not For Dweebs
No, Melon247, exclamation marks are not for dweebs, they are used for whenever some characters or characters are either very excited, very happy, very sad or very angry. &#91;&#91;Ericthebrainiac&#93;&#93; 01:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't you use exclamation marks yourself?? &#91;&#91;Ericthebrainiac&#93;&#93; 01:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Bots might be dweeb but they cannot get the context, anyway. --Davinci - talk 02:36, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * OK... what exactly are we talking about 'cos I have no idea how this sprang up. -- M  e  l  o  n   24  7  08:30, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh wait... is this something to do with what Serprex said? Just to get my point across I knew that was a bot, and you can see if you read what I wrote at the top there... -- M  e  l  o  n   24  7  08:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I just figured I might as well greet you myself. On the note of the collab discussion from before, freedom is definitely key. Nonimportant and I never had any rules when collaborating. Discussion was key to try maintain coherencyUser:Serprex 13:35, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm Sorry that I Ignored You
I'm sorry that I ignored you. The reason that I did so is because I was doing my project with Serprex yesterday and I was doing the same project all by myself. &#91;&#91;Ericthebrainiac&#93;&#93; 16:29, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I am currently in Chapter 11 of My Beloved Girlfriend if you want to help me get through Chapter 11 and get to Chapter 12 if you want to. &#91;&#91;Ericthebrainiac&#93;&#93; 16:29, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Again, I'm sorry that you thought I was ignoring you. &#91;&#91;Ericthebrainiac&#93;&#93; 16:29, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I Want to Collaborate With You...
Yes, Melon247, I do want to collaborate with you on My Beloved Girlfriend. &#91;&#91;Ericthebrainiac&#93;&#93; 13:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I was only wanting to know what the main plots to my fictional television programming, that's all I was doing yesterday. &#91;&#91;Ericthebrainiac&#93;&#93; 13:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, you did not ask me, but you and me can collaborate on a pet story, if you wish (as long as it has mystery or science fiction on it). --Davinci - talk 16:16, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't know enough information to think of a title. Put your ideas about the pet story somewhere and then we can begin writing, planning and giving it a title, I think. --Davinci - talk 18:33, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Hehe. Me neither. Yes, like your other stories, the title should include cat and stuff. Well, don't feel constrained for the mystery. I could help write a story without no mystery, anyway. Keep on thinking the main plot and maybe start a few lines and I'll see where I can help. --Davinci - talk 20:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Credit where credit is due, but more over I'm only offering a possible opening. I will hold no offence if such suggestions are deniedUser:Serprex 16:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

read
sorry to be a critic but do you read something before making a change or are you a wiki zombie changer no hard feeling ok dude--Veriteo 13:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

the talk was on a page that didnt had any relevance with the story so it is logical to be deleted it is ilogical to think otherwise from my opinion and i was joking about the zombie stuff :) hope you dint believed me :)

i quite
you know something i have just realized now im to stupid to be on this wiki or any wiki at all i wanted to make a story but its pointless so i quite im just wasting everybodys time now wonder iaws banned from wikipedia i HATE any wiki now and i dont feel great about it THE TRUTH IS IM STUPID AND THIS IS IT

IS IT HARD
all i want is clean talk page because when i created winnerman i redirected the old dearon veriteo debate i putted that there in order to remember to write winnerman yes i know not a smart move but i reverted back the old talk page and erased what was on winnerman talk page so what should i do am i asking for to world here jir im asking for clean winnerman page talk where you should discuss relevants chats i ask you you tell me i am asking here to be god seriously or im i asking for a relevant talk page

this is the true tal page
this http://fiction.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:The_big_chatting_among_Veriteo_and_Dearon is not http://fiction.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Winnerman

i am asking here for to much i am insane i just want a freaking relevant talk page maybe i am insane maybe im asking here to be god

winnerman 2
i will make a new winner man talk page and i will end this iwill mke winnnerman 2 which sounds stupid since its not another winnerman

Zombie
i dont want to mention this again but when i made the talk page very clean everyone reverted it back then i explained why i erased the old stuff you reverted it again and i dont think you read what i have said then i added a link to the old talk page but NNONONONO you still had to revert it it back so i got pissed off im trying to make myself understood here but i simply cant so tell what to do now ?? well can you answer that is it really necesarry that 2 talk pages to be copy of the same stuff you pissed me some much i vandalized the winnerman talk page

pissed off
wait you piss me of and i cannot even have some fun i am so angry i could burn my self to death and say not to insult anyone even if i am joking and why should i call you the way you act have you even read what i said have you read again the zombie stuff have i insulted you i could do that you know maybe the world has been soft with you and you dont what a real insult is

princess
maybe the world as threated you like a princess you dont know what a real insult is you have basically no idea what a real insult looks like

i can finally die happy http://fiction.wikia.com/wiki/Winnerman_Now 

how do you get chat logs from a irc channel

teching
David you say on the irc that you could teach me some stuff im interested like what what could you possible teching me with exeption that i dont really know nothing and that i should be skeptical