Winnerman

>	HEY GUYS 	i need a little help 	do you like my youtube description 	I am Outrageous Fantastic Awesome Incredible Invincible Mighty Amazing Spectacular Marvelous Glorious GOD 	I AM GREAT AND SO ARE YOU 	I AM A WINNER BECAUSE I AM MADE OUT OF THE STUFF THAT DREAMS ARE MADE OF (GOD) 	youtube description? 	http://www.youtube.com/user/veriteo 	It doesn't make you seems like some nutcase at all ;)		it will be interesting to see if they make you take it down		why?		their lawyers might feel that anyone calling himself god is a liability and an unwelcome risk		:) that sound funny 	i should put there universe 	i am the universe 	i am a winner 	and ie	<ago_>	:)	<ago_>	i like this line > I AM A WINNER BECAUSE I AM MADE OUT OF THE STUFF THAT DREAMS ARE MADE OF (GOD)	<ago_>	do think its creative	<ago_>	i explained why i am a permanent and eternal winner	<ago_>	i just love being a winner from my perspective losing is a illusion	<Dearon>	To me it looks like you shouted the same stuff you hear in a mental institution	<ago_>	thats your opinion dearon and im ok people call other people crazy if the dont understand them	<ago_>	from my perspective i am a genius because i love people forgive them and move on	<Dearon>	It's the opinion that most (if not all) people that see your profile will have	<ago_>	the review have been mostly positive	<Dearon>	And where/who did you ask?	<ago_>	my yt buddys	<Dearon>	Yt?	<ago_>	youtube	<ago_>	and some people that dont agree with me	<ago_>	:) <Dearon>	Aha <ago_>	so you dont agree with me dearon dont you <Dearon>	Yes, i do not agree <ago_>	:) i love you just for that it would be so boribg to agree with me	<ago_>	besides no one is wrong from their perspective	<Dearon>	Doesn't it ever strike you as incredibly narcissistic to call yourself God?	<ago_>	no	<ago_>	i think it natural to be god	<ago_>	and from my perspective you are also god just like me	<ago_>	everything in the universe is god you cannot escape god god is everywhere	<ago_>	not even a blind person cannot fail to ultimately see the god and goddess of the universe	<Dearon>	But that doesn't mean you are God	<Dearon>	Because you are not everything	<Dearon>	You are just a part of God	<ago_>	yes i am	<Dearon>	You are not everything	<ago_>	the trees are my breath	<Dearon>	You are only a part of the everything	<ago_>	the water my circulation	<ago_>	you live from my perspective in the illusion of separation	<ago_>	everything that camed out of the big bang is the big bang] <ago_>	that how i see it	<Dearon>	Yes, the whole is made from it's parts <ago_>	you dont need to agree with me	<Dearon>	But that does not mean that the parts are the whole <ago_>	yes they are because if you relly see thing how they are <ago_>	they all become the brahman <ago_>	the brahman is the force that has all forms and no form <ago_>	the unmoved mover <ago_>	you dont have to agree with me <Dearon>	So everything is expanding every microsecond then? <Dearon>	Doubling it's size <ago_>	yes <ago_>	but isee as this we live in a universe with cause and effect <ago_>	if dont agree with im ok with that <ago_>	i dont think you like what im saying <ago_>	but we are all one has helped me more that anything in my relationships and personal problems <Dearon>	And medicine helps others <ago_>	from all the beliefs out there like polytheism monotheism atheism pantheism <ago_>	pantheism is the one that works for me best <ago_>	me entire perspective shifted <ago_>	my* <ago_>	and i have acted with more love and power than i evr dreamed <ago_>	so its a complete success if you think im nuts be blessed im saying to you this is my key to complete happiness <Dearon>	Maybe you never really got Christianity? <ago_>	no i onced was thinking Christianity was the ultimate truth <Dearon>	That is no what i am saying <Dearon>	*not <Dearon>	You can think *anything* is the ultimate truth <ago_>	no im no more saying i have the ultimate truth <Dearon>	And still completely miss what it is really about <ago_>	what is it about enligthen me	<Dearon>	So thinking that Christianity is the ultimate truth has *nothing* to do with understand what it is about <ago_>	enlighten* <ago_>	so what is it about explain dearon <ago_>	if say im not getting it	<Dearon>	Doing what Christ told us to do	<ago_>	and that is <ago_>	? <ago_>	tell me what is im intresting in knowing this <ago_>	:)	<ago_>	say it	<Dearon>	...	<Dearon>	Have you ever heard of patience	<ago_>	pk	<ago_>	ok	<ago_>	i was thinking you know it	<Dearon>	We do not exist to entertain your, nor do we exist to react instantly to you	<ago_>	i was thinking you know it	<ago_>	from my viewpoint you exist to activate your glorious awareness of who you are	<Dearon>	Loving other humans, unconditionally; Pacifism; Being faithful to your wife/husband; Be true to your word; Do not belief to make a show out of it, keep your praying etc. to yourself;	<ago_>	hahahaha > Loving other humans, unconditionally	<Dearon>	...	<ago_>	and how better to achive this be seeing everyone as amyself	<Dearon>	:/	<ago_>	myself*	<Dearon>	Then you do not love everyone	<Dearon>	You merely love yourself	<ago_>	yes i do	<ago_>	everyone+myself	<ago_>	everyone=myself	<ago_>	it fits perfectly	<Dearon>	It's a narcissistic "solution" to it	<Dearon>	It's all from the "it's about me" viewpoint <ago_>	and from my view it that solution that is most efficent <Dearon>	I do not need to "lift myself up" in order to love other people <ago_>	do on others how you would like to be done upon you <Dearon>	I can love others without having them to be me	<ago_>	yes but do you know what love is do you know what sex is <Dearon>	Of course i know, do you? <ago_>	when you make sex there is only one person the merge of the 2 persons its the unity <ago_>	unity = one self that my take on it	<Dearon>	But sex is not love <Dearon>	And sex without love does not result in any kind of unity <ago_>	yeah if you put fear in it	<Dearon>	Sex without love is just a activity wherein 2 people try to feel good, using each other to achieve selfish goals <ago_>	but why is selfish to feel good <Dearon>	It is selfish to use others to make yourself feel good <ago_>	so how can you love someone if you dont feel good <Dearon>	Do you need to use the other person to feel good <ago_>	helping someone can make you feel good <Dearon>	? <ago_>	why would god put something to feel good about and not do it	<Dearon>	It is not about feeling good <Dearon>	It is about *using others* to feel good <Dearon>	Those are two completely different things <ago_>	and what the wrong in that <ago_>	whats* <ago_>	is it wrong to use something to feel good <Dearon>	That you are using other people for your own selfish reasons <ago_>	and is ti bad <Dearon>	Acting like they are nothing more than a tool to achieve some goal <ago_>	we are tools of service <ago_>	what the wrong in using other as tools <ago_>	whats* <ago_>	are they lifeless than =-=	YOU are now known as brahman *NickServ*	This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify. <Dearon>	It degrades them from humans into tools =-=	YOU are now known as brahmanprime <Dearon>	Something that you can use when you want to	<Dearon>	And can discard when you want to	 	what society uses us as tools <Dearon>	... <Dearon>	It's useless to discuss things if you have a memory span of 10 lines of text arent you used by society to sustain it <Dearon>	Do i agree with society? yes arent we tools in society <Dearon>	... people use us all day long <Dearon>	Don't make such idiotic assumptions <Dearon>	It does not help your argument in any way even you use people all the time <Dearon>	I *do not* agree with the way society works dont you use the farmers the suppliers the goverment <Dearon>	And i think the system we use (capitalism) is completely unsustainable in the way it treats both nature and humanity <Dearon>	I do not use them <Dearon>	They do something for other people <Dearon>	And in turn we do something bacl <Dearon>	*back yes but how do you know that you equal that you dont even if you have money <Dearon>	What? a product is far more expensive in 3rd country so where is the equal in that how do you know you are fair <Dearon>	<Dearon> I *do not* agree with the way society works <Dearon>	<Dearon> And i think the system we use (capitalism) is completely unsustainable in the way it treats both nature and humanity <Dearon>	Where did i ever say that i agreed with capitalism or that it is a fair system? i know you said that but im say dont you use people <Dearon>	A vast minority is allowed to work cushy jobs where they have freedom to do what they want <Dearon>	A vast majority is forced to work in certain jobs against low pay helping to make a small group of people at the top rich the pyramid of humanity 80% resources go to 10% of the poeple maybe even less i dont agree with society either they need to change the system if not they will autokill ourself <Dearon>	And i do not use those people <Dearon>	I facilitate the system that uses them to a small extent but i try to minimize, if not eradicate, that to eradicate it means to change it because if hte community dosent sustain you can only minimixe it	<Dearon>	I can get my food from local farms and the like <Dearon>	People who grow the food themselves and distribute it outside of the retails channels <Dearon>	That way i eradicate my involvement with the negative side of capitalism <Dearon>	Which is the best that is possible at this moment yes but you still use people to accommodate you its far more easy than for you to produce your food or hunt for it	 	you go to local farm <Dearon>	I do not use them it still using people but you make a trade and its fair but you use them <Dearon>	They produce certain goods, and i exchange those goods for other goods yes but you still use the as channels <Dearon>	It is a clear agreement and we stay within that agreement <Dearon>	Neither of us takes anything from the other <Dearon>	I *do not* use them <Dearon>	If i used them i would force him to take the money i want to give maybe i cannot explain this very good <Dearon>	Or to force him to grow a certain kind of food <Dearon>	Or exercise any kind of power of him using isnt forcing someone <Dearon>	o take unfair advantage of; exploit: to use people to gain one's own ends. <Dearon>	It is	 	using is like i scratch your back and you scratch mine <Dearon>	Not it is not <Dearon>	That is helping each other imagine your the last man on planet earth and you have all the money in the world you wont have any benefit because you have no one to provide goods or services am i correct <Dearon>	And your point? is that poeple scratch your back and you scratch their you use them in order not to spent you time making food but doing something else <Dearon>	You don't use them <Dearon>	You help each other <Dearon>	You gain nothing, you lose nothing <Dearon>	You *do not exploit them* oh yes you win you dont have to do everything if it where to be the last human on earth and you would want everytinh <Dearon>	Nor do force yourself in a better position by buying food or similar actions ok i if it where to be the last human on earth and you would want everything you would need to give yourself everything so in truth you use other as a system in order that you dont need to do everything so in theory you win <Dearon>	How do you exploit a farmer by buying his products? you dont need do them yourself <Dearon>	That is not exploiting yes it not it using using people to get want you need <Dearon>	to utilize, esp. for profit; turn to practical account: to exploit a business opportunity. <Dearon>	to use selfishly for one's own ends: employers who exploit their workers. <Dearon>	That is exploiting and no one ever said using is exploiting <Dearon>	It does not happen in any way if you buy directly from a farmer <Dearon>	... ok you not getting my point so i will stop explaining <Dearon>	<Dearon> o take unfair advantage of; exploit: to use people to gain one's own ends. <Dearon>	The dictionary definition of using <Dearon>	Exploiting someone that is not my dectionary says <Dearon>	... dictionary says <Dearon>	It odes <Dearon>	*does <Dearon>	http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/use no may because it Romanian <Dearon>	5. to take unfair advantage of; exploit: to use people to gain one's own ends. <Dearon>	And it is the definition i have constantly and clearly used throughout this conversation <Dearon>	Citing it directly 3 times now yes that is true to employ for some purpose; put into service; make use of: to use a knife. 2. to avail oneself of; apply to one's own purposes: to use the facilities. 3. to expend or consume in use: We have used the money provided. 4. to treat or behave toward: He did not use his employees with much consideration. and i used to word use as	<Dearon>	And i have clearly used definition 5 <Dearon>	Throughout this conversation to employ for some purpose; put into service; make use of: <Dearon>	And not once did you say you disagreed <Dearon>	So any problems stemming from that were caused by you ok you undertand it as exploiting ok understood* ok i dont see selfish as a wrong thing it healty to be selfish besides you sell fish (selfis) :) do you get it	 	that a service	 	you know some one made a international survey on what people want	-->|	Dearon1 (n=Dearon@dhcp-077-250-119-091.chello.nl) has joined #wikia-fiction	 	you know some one made a international survey on what people want	 	and they all said they want peace love and happiness	 	i think to be selfish is to be more self common good	<Dearon1>	If everyone is selfish then how can there be peace?	 	it in my selfish behavior to eat healty food breath clean air and drink pure water	 	people are just confused they dont know who they are	<Dearon1>	And it is selfish to assume that you can simply have something because you want it	 	you take action	<Dearon1>	Why do countries start wars?	<Dearon1>	Because they want something	<Dearon1>	It all comes from being selfish	<Dearon1>	A feeling of entitlement	 	no because ther are 2 country's	<Dearon1>	Some twisted idea that a group of people are better than others because of some arbitrary line made up by other humans if there were just one country there would be no wars <Dearon1>	There would be civil wars yes but this is one of those thins like what if	 	what if all people would see themself ass everything as* <Dearon1>	As long as people are motivated by selfishness there will be wars and crimes and the like well what if you exapnt the self <Dearon1>	Then there is even less reason why you shouldn't just take something <Dearon1>	Because everything belongs to you already anyway but wait you are forgeting you are other poeple <Dearon1>	So? <Dearon1>	It doesn't matter that i take something from them then would you dare act inhumanly to yourself <Dearon1>	Since if i use it they benefit from it too <Dearon1>	If i get better from it, sure so would you kill yourself <Dearon1>	As long as it's a small part of me	<Dearon1>	There are new parts of me born every day <Dearon1>	There are parts of me dying every day <Dearon1>	One more or less wouldn't make that much difference then <Dearon1>	Heck, there are many parts of me dying as we speak in Iraq <Dearon1>	So why should it matter than if it happens there or if it happens here? if called to put yourself in another shoes to be that person its* <Dearon1>	What? <Dearon1>	There is no other person right? <Dearon1>	It's all me right? yes so would cause youself pain <Dearon1>	If i get better from it	 	:0 <Dearon1>	Especially if i don't notice it	 	you make my :)	<Dearon1>	(see, your theory falls apart in seconds when viewed from a selfish perspective)	 	no it dosent because it not selfish	<Dearon1>	It is	 	that person on the street is me	 	its me	 	it not someone else	<Dearon1>	So?	<Dearon1>	It's still selfish to want whatever he/she has	 	:) so you are saying to me you dont care about yourself you would steel yourself <Dearon1>	It's not about caring, it's about what puts me in a better situation <Dearon1>	And if that involves me taking something then so be it	<Dearon1>	Besides, again, if it's me then i should care even less if you see some suffering and the one who suffers is a you would you not help them <Dearon1>	Since the other person should still experience positive effects from me having that <Dearon1>	Depends on if i get better from it or not you not being one with everyone <Dearon1>	If we are one and i would improve from not helping it would mean that the other person get's better too it not about better it about you you look into a mirror <Dearon1>	Sure it is	 	ok you just gonig if its all me it all mine i dont blame you <Dearon1>	But we are all one <Dearon1>	So that is good right? <Dearon1>	Because any improvement to me means a improvement to everyone? that is what i thought fist first* |<--	Dearon has left irc.freenode.net (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) <Dearon1>	(again, your theory falls completely flat with a selfish person) ok if you are one with the universe that wich you call selfishness transfomres into helping other rather thena getting it	 	you see i was thiking the same when i didnt understood oneness there more you give to others the more you get no the other way arond and i understand you that was my first impression you dont get better by taking but by giving] i made that mystake first <Dearon1>	And that is why you never understood Christianity because i never understood how a allpowerful god loving and knowing can send you into hell i understood hell can only be made by you because you are your master and only you give your destiny <Dearon1>	Then you did not understand the first book explain :)	<Dearon1>	We have been given a choice, free will	<Dearon1>	And for free will to exist there need to be 2 options	 	yes	 	correct	<Dearon1>	This is *not* something God choose, he advised against eating from the tree	<Dearon1>	But Eve (and Adam) did not listen and we gained free will	 	so freedom is a blessing	<Dearon1>	And thus we get free will and need 2 options in everything	<Dearon1>	Including the after life	 	yes but she dosent decide you decide	 	you have freedom so chosee	<Dearon1>	I think you mean He	 	in the afterlife hell or nirvana	<Dearon1>	As in God	 	no she	<Dearon1>	(since He doesn't have a gender anyway)	 	i see god as he and a she	<Dearon1>	God has no gender, so we use the normal naming system	 	if it is genderless why not use she	<Dearon1>	Which leads to God being called a He	<Dearon1>	Like we do with objects too	 	you are not wrong if you use she	 	are you	 	it could also represnt personality traits <Dearon1>	Grammatically you are female as in caring and male as in courageous could you use this as gender rather than a sexual thing <Dearon1>	I am not talking about a sexual thing <Dearon1>	Like i said, God doesn't have a gender how do you know <Dearon1>	But from the grammar rules that exist He is called a He	 	what if god is both genders <Dearon1>	Because Adam and Eve were both made in His image <Dearon1>	This is useless yes exactly my point what if god is a he and a she <Dearon1>	Not, your stupid turning around the point is useless <Dearon1>	O and the completely ignoring my responses too is god all powerful i ask you this if yes could she be both genders so no response would be wrong <Dearon1>	Could He create a rock that is unliftable and lift it? <Dearon1>	Ooh look a paradox so God is not all powerful!!11! no and yes <Dearon1>	Those kinds of question are just... childish and completely useless you it quite easy no it not childish <Dearon1>	It is childish <Dearon1>	In a bad way listen if i say it unliftable its unliftable unless <Dearon1>	It's a dumb paradox created by human language it not dum <Dearon1>	So it's useless and childlish <Dearon1>	It is dumb it quite east <Dearon1>	Any idiot can come up with it	 	easy <Dearon1>	And the answer to it are dumb too since the question is so dumb to begin with ok listen a ant cannot pick a basketball a human can so it all about perception if you are a ant or a human so its posiible depending on perception if your jesus you can walk on water its all about perception see it not dum it about perption <Dearon1>	... <Dearon1>	That is not even close to the subject oh my friend it is	 	its perception it matter were you stand i can give you a better example in my daydream i am all powerful true <Dearon1>	No, you stray from the matter into some weird other subject under the pretense it is the same subject so if i want to i can imagine myself not powerful to lift a rock so did jesus walk on water <Dearon1>	it is not and i stop caring if you try to pull such a switch on me	 	how did jesus walk on water i have my explantion he undestood reality as a dream an was capable of manipulating it	 	this is how is see reality as a dream do you believe god is allpowerful ?	 	do you ?	 	dearon what is your answer dearon ??	 	i believe in god ass a allpowerful self so god from my opinion would have no problem in creating a universe like tom and jerry ok if got mad on me ok im said it once i will say it again this is my view this is how i am seeing things maybe i am to in your face are you ok dude ok i got it your mad ok	 	man and i was thinking i am the childish