User talk:Proxima Centauri/Archive 1

00:53, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

How do I archive a story
How do I archive a story? Proxima Centauri 20:24, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

You go to Archives, find the right genre, and create a "snippet" of your own based off the examples. 14:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've archived it. Proxima Centauri 12:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Where it is

Vote
Hi, please vote for feature fiction. Thanks. 13:32, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Greetings Proxima,

You don't need to get my permission for your edits to Hunt for a Demon. It isn't my story. I posted it here after I got permission to do so from Basilicus. I think you're doing fine.

Cheers, 19:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

From what I saw I didn't see a story, as my summary stated. If you like you can recreate it as a story, but Wikipedia articles should be left for WikipediaUser:Serprex 14:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi PC, try using shorter titles to make the pages more accessible to everyone. Abcxyzzzz 18:40, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Wait a second, what did I do?User:Serprex 19:34, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

You didn't do anything wrong, Serprex. You lengthened titles and got them to fit better with the Novelas style. Now someone else thinks the titles should be shorter. I'm in the middle. Whatever I do someone will be against me. None of us has done anything wrong. It's just one of those things. Proxima Centauri 13:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

If you want to shorten the article titles of your work, just do it or tell someone else that you want it changed. Abcxyzzzz 01:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Semprex lengthened the title. I don't mind the long titles.  I don't want to be blamed either. Proxima Centauri 07:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I see you renamed the files. I personally do not mind but I think the title is so long. We can remove the "by x and y" part, I guess. Our nicks are also on the main page: The Lord of the Wikis. The idea of splitting them is good. The problem is how long they are. The policy in here is to append /1, /2, etc. We can put the title on the links, rather than the name of the page. Initially, I thought you wanted to make a fork, that is, alternate chapters. But it seems not. So, tell me what you think. --David 23:14, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Codependence
Good idea! I think I can write about that topic, it is interesting and is related to Mark's addiction.

>An example would be a wife making excuses for her husband's excessive drinking and perhaps defending him by calling in sick for him when he is hung over

That is what we need. I was thinking of introducing a girlfriend for Mark but I could not know how to make it. Now, we know how she will be. She will not complain too much for Mark's computer addiction so, he cannot be cured unless he commits to controlling himself. I was stuck since I was only thinking about wikis, but the general picture of computer addiction and codependence helps finish the story. If you plan them to have children, then this could be more than a short story. I am glad to know that. About the titles, I think they are fine; it is just a naming convention Fiction wikia created. It's not important, we may change it when we see fit. And the answer is yes, I think I can write about that, maybe after I do more research about the topic.

Another thing: Mark has not much experience with girls, so he will become very emotionally attached to her. Let's imagine he has only had unrequited love experiences and that new burst of love and caring will confuse him and he will fall in love with her, almost instantly. As he is obsessive with computers, he will be obsessive with love... Besides, Angie will have to treat him like a teenager sometimes. --David 13:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I found this: http://knol.google.com/k/sam-vaknin/inverted-narcissist/2ji9lwjy5dg4e/10#, related to codependence (Angie), narcissism (Mark) in the Lord of the Wikis. --David 18:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Cthulhu
Cthulhu....if I recall correctly, all I did for "Chandler’s Bookstore" was make a category for a bunch of related pages. I think you should feel free to take the story in any direction you like. I just saw this footnote. I've thought about those questions for a long time....the answers I came up with are the basis of what I call the "Exodemic Universe". --JWSchmidt 01:07, 24 February 2009 (UTC) I don't want to take the story in any direction. I'm busy with The Aliens of the Flaming Red Sun and if I take on too much I'll get behind there. What I wanted was a frightening link for The Aliens of the Flaming Red Sun/3 It's not altogether nice see, "Places of entertainment started showing old 20th Century films about alien attacks and alien domination. Audiences flocked there due to fascination with the horrible. Other people could not easily bring themselves to walk past a place where such a film was shown. A few people got a bit obsessive about tentacled Cthulhu and imagined the aliens much bigger than they really were. There were many sightings of The Yellow Sign. from there".

If anyone else wants to take Cthulhu in any direction that doesn't affect my story.

I like the idea of an exodemic universe because the real world may be like that. I'll take a look when I've got time. Proxima Centauri 09:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I reply because I guess YZH is not active since months. Adminship takes the same as in every wiki, acting by consensus to delete, revert, block, protect pages. If you want to be an admin, nominate yourself, like we did before. Users will discuss, some may ask you questions and we will decide by voting. --David - talk 18:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi
Hey, I noticed that you wrote to David and said that you are a girl! So am I! Maybe we should write a story together sometime. (I won't be offended it you don't want to)--God&#39;sGirl94 17:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I don't really know off hand what skyscrapers are like because I live in the country part of Indiana. Maybe we should write a story that consists of letters between two girls, one American and one British. Could that work?--God&#39;sGirl94 20:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia has an article about Pen friends. We could collaborate I haven't any ideas yet but that might change. Proxima Centauri 21:01, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

That's fine. I'm in no hurry, but I just want to get to know others here to see what they like. We can do that another time, whenever we get an idea! :-)--God&#39;sGirl94 14:52, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Good. Proxima Centauri 16:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't have a clue about people living in skycrappers. But I do remember that Asimov lived in 33rd floor, so maybe it's common in US. And a question, I am puzzled. You said "I am a little girl star". I still do not know if that is metaphorical or if you are indeed a woman. --David - talk 16:35, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not a star but I am a woman. Either sex can write about hermaphrodites. Proxima Centauri 16:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

For your information, I'm trying to find David in order to APOLOGIZE!!!!!! That's the only decent thing for me to do after what I said and how I acted. That's all. And if he doesn't want to accept my apology, then that's his problem! I'll apologize and then stay out of his hair. He can talk to me if he wants. I won't sleep if I can't let him know how sorry I am.--God&#39;sGirl94 15:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Leave David alone. The more you go after him the more you upset him. Proxima Centauri 15:11, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

What is wrong with apologizing?! I know that it was wrong of me to type like I did on that forum. I want to apologize and set things right!!--God&#39;sGirl94 15:21, 4 March 2009 (UTC)'''
 * Can everyone please stop using BOLD PRINT and start acting civilized. Really, this is going to lead to more bad things if this continues. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 16:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Freethinkers follow the scientific method. It seems David was considering leaving before the latest trouble. God’s Girl may not have been at fault. Proxima Centauri 10:20, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Right, I never mentioned my reasons for leaving this wiki and would not have explained to Godsgirl back thenbecause I don't like to talk to people who act in a pushy way. She could have been at fault, from some point of view, for what she did afterward, being so pushy and filling the wiki with apologizes and the mentioning of my name. It's her way so it has nothing to do with fault. I did not reply to her then because I did not want to fill the entire wikia with an endless discussion (off topic also). I think we "signed peace" between godsgirl and me, now that time passed and we both could calm down. I thank you for having "backed me up" and making her notice she needed to calm down and stop mentioning my name all around. I think you were the one who could help the situation calm down. Thanks. --Acey &bull; gossip. 17:29, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

A day in the life
You read my mind. I was wondering if Sophie or Jessica should abandon the main character. I assume you read the whole page, what do you think about it?--Micaelus 20:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

It's the type of story that men like and women dislike. The central character is selfish. I wrote a bit but it's more your scene than mine. Proxima Centauri 20:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Of course. So you're a woman. Well, Lucy scene will be different... and bitter. The selfish character will get what he deserves. I wonder if a woman would like the contrary scene, two men and one woman. Maybe very few of them, as women are not sexually obsessed as most men. --Micaelus 20:29, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Good! The bad character gets what he deserves. I've glanced at a different bit of the story and I can see that character is not the sort people respect. Have you read The Aliens of the Flaming Red Sun? The Aliens of the Flaming Red Sun/22 Aunt Violet warns about Marriage. is about a woman a hermaphrodite who's more female than male. Her late husband exploited her. Proxima Centauri 20:32, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

20 chapters? You are such a prolific writer! I will read that chapter then. Well, is the character that bad? He gets what he deserves for being so excessive and thinking that love can be bought. The solution to his problems are not there. Well, when I finish the story I would like your opinions on the main character and his change at the end. --Micaelus 20:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

"Old Groovy Tentacles just wanted me for sex and nothing else. ". It is something I explored in my story. People who just use other people for selfish pleasure. It is some kind of vampirism, sucking other people energy, mind and body just for the pleasure of oneself.

I finished the story. I hope you like it, at least the ending. --Micaelus 21:30, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

That would be bad sex. The story is certainly interesting. Try The Lord of the Wikis/4 and The Lord of the Wikis/5 for how a woman sees sex. Proxima Centauri 21:52, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. It's more how they see a beginning relationship (sex was not explicit as in my case). You are right, women tend to find a friend, someone to whom they can really love. Well, I wonder... if you could write a complete scene of it. Just to really know how women see sex. Well, it's just a suggestion, don't think I am obsessed with that topic. It is something I want to understand from other points of view. Anyway, those parts of stories are just for the senses, not the mind itself. Something I cannot understand about women is why they try to flee first time, as Angie tries. Maybe they are not impulsive as men for genetic reasons... or more due to hormones. It is very nice for me to know female writers. Nice to meet you. --Micaelus 22:02, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Collaboration
I hope to see you around collaborating in User:*Acey*/Collaborations. We will write stories in there between more than 2 users, I hope. It's an experiment we will create. I like your style of writing so you might join. Just create a story and link it there or join the existing stories and we will have fun. --Acey &bull; gossip. 19:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

We'll see about collaboration. At the moment I'm not keen on writing anything more explicit than what I'm writing now. Proxima Centauri 19:51, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

My beloved girlfriend
I enjoyed your additions. It adds skeptical point of views, which George might have. He has only gone to church to seek help but in his inside he does not believe that much. You are right, if we think about Purgatory or Hell, atheism could be a relief. But believing in reincarnation is another way to feel fine about life after death... --Acey &bull; gossip. 21:18, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Those who believe in reincarnation believe that if we do wrong we can come back as something repellent like a slug. If we are good we come back as something very nice. That may or may not be a comfort. Proxima Centauri 21:23, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

It might be a comfort because the torment is not eternal as Hell. The problem with atheism is it does not talk about life after death. --Acey &bull; gossip. 02:53, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

If you feel like it, we may talk in http://java.freenode.net/index.php?channel=wikia-fiction. The freenode's channel for this wikia; we use it for writing in collaboration. I hope to hear from you soon, in there... --Acey &bull; gossip. 23:20, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

OK. Talk pages are more "brainy" than IRC, anyway. --Acey &bull; gossip. 17:50, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

The Lord of the Wikis
I have some comments about the meta you put in there. I think that he must not work for the World of Wikis immediately. We can say that they marry, Angie discovers it's a lie that he is working there and she finally ends up working and Mark dozing at home. This will make Mark feel wrong but his addiction will not let him go out and search for a job. Let's say he failed to be allowed to work at the World of Wikis because he is a bad wiki user; I mean, engaging in too many edit wars, reverting, deleting and blocking without consensus, etc. Even having a history of sock-puppetry... So, they will never give him the job. He would only get a job years after that, when dad's money stop coming. As Angie is codependent, she does not even want him to work or something. She over protects him as if he were his son or sort of. It is the key in here, she will prevent him for finding a cure for his OCD or whatever problem he has, unconsciously.

Second, if he works for the World of Wikis, his problem would not be addiction anymore. It would be more like being workaholic, which is a different thing. I mean, the idea, as I see it, is that Mark does not like to work; he just likes wikis. It's compulsory and has nothing to do with being excellent at job. It is an activity he could have found to be interesting... if it becomes a job, he would stop being addictive. Why? Because he does it for money, so it is not compulsory now, the order to work in wikis comes from outside, not from the inside. He uses wikis to escape the world... like alcohol. I see Mark as having existential problems (as is mentioned somewhere in the story) so his addiction to wikis would go if he works on it. When he does wikis, he feels guilty all the time and it becomes a compulsion, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder; he wants to quit but is unable to do it. If he works in wikis he will not feel guilty. He will feel happy with himself, because, even if excessive, he is working, making something that has a meaning in life. He does not find meaning in life or in wikis, but it is the only thing he can do to avoid boredom.

It's my suggestion for plausibility, the rest is perfect for me. I want to know your opinion on that. --Acey &bull; gossip. 18:13, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm new to collaborative fiction but it should involve give and take. I'm British and it's late in the evening here. I'll think things over and get back to you later. Proxima Centauri 21:09, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

OK. --Acey &bull; gossip. 22:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I hope I have not scared you way with my comments about the Lord of the wikis. In case I have not mentioned it, I am the same one who created the story; I lost my old account so now I use this one and I want to continue the collaboration in that story. It's why my paragraphs and opinions were so lengthy about Mark getting a job; I was thinking about them since you first wrote your ideas for continuing the story, after Angie appeared. I could not continue with my own fork so I think it is better for us to collaborate in Angie and Mark parts. The issue to discuss now is if he will get a work for the World of Wikis or not. --Acey &bull; gossip. 17:20, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

You didn't scare me away. I was writing about topics like the plight of real non-fictional slaves in the 21st Century. Most of the time I'm a weak atheist or agnostic. Sometimes I ask myself questions like, “Just suppose that reincarnation is real? Just suppose that I have the karma that could lead me to be reborn a slave?” Ahh! If that happens then how much help I get will depend on how much I do for slaves now when I’m free.

I’ve thought of writing it so Angie goes back to the Employment Bureau and tries for a job well below what she had before. She does this partly because she doesn’t want Mark to find out that she’s unemployed, after all she imagines he’s got such a difficult job. She gets an ordinary office job that leaves her unchallenged. Mark doesn’t get the job at World of Wikis but Angie doesn’t know that. Angie helps Mark with World of Wikis. Those who refused him the job there are impressed with how Mark’s work improved and don’t know Angie is helping. Mark gets an email offering him the job after all. Proxima Centauri 18:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

At the moment I'm focused on slaves. The Aliens of the Flaming Red Sun includes a fictional non-human slave who is beginning to want freedom but believes it's his/her duty to serve his/her owner. I feel I can write that well at the moment. Proxima Centauri 19:37, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Very interesting. So you are a weak agnostic, nice. Extremes are always troublesome and may lead to self delusions since the world is not that way. Although I try to apply the scientific method to my reasoning, I write about telepathy or precognition topics, as I do in The search for Kalid, for instance. We can never model reality as something objective... humans will always have a bias and will not know how ultimate reality is, since we are trapped by it. Only an external observer (outside the universe if there is something or someone outside) could have that privileged view. I am fine with those additions to the job, Mark will act as if he were working and Angie will help her. So, when she finally learns he is not working there... the first discussion. But maybe the job offer gets first. During that time, we can have enough time to be able to portrair Mark's addiction fully. He will need to do what users sometimes do on wikis... engage in endless discussions. Maybe they will not notice since he uses proxies and sock puppets for those discussions, not even Angie knows his dark side on wikis. It's what I plan to write these days. To show Mark's dark and addictive side from a new point of view. --Acey &bull; gossip. 21:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Some proxies are range blocked on some wikis of Wikia. I know Liberapedia blocked some because I'm a sysop there. Other proxies work, I’ve used one on Liberapedia. I edited responsibly with the proxy, I just wanted to know what proxies can and can’t do. When the administrators at Liberapedia discussed blocking proxies I said there is a case for allowing them so that users from countries with oppressive governments can edit Liberapedia and cover their tracks. Other administrators wanted to block them anyway and I didn’t want to damage Liberapedia with a Wheel war so I left it at that. In any case police in oppressive countries can trace a user even with a proxy.

If Mark uses proxies things will be a bit unpredictable for him. Sometimes proxies will work and other times they won’t. I don’t know if any proxies are blocked throughout Wikia. They may be. World of Wikis doesn’t have to be the same as Wikia. Background information on proxies. Proxima Centauri 09:33, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Not exactly proxies but something harder to trace like ssh tunneling. They are used in wikiversity by banned users and they seem to work. I would not explain the technical aspect of them in the story since it's not something to promote. --Acey &bull; gossip. 13:29, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Can you tell me how to use them on Conservapedia? Proxima Centauri 13:33, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Well. I am not an expert. You need linux on both machines and have an account to log from it. In computer A (the one you are using) you need to open a terminal and use ssh command and some parameters to log in at computer B. I have no clue about computer B, since I only used it with a friend (he was the expert), he was the one who knew all about it. But... why would you need it for? Isn't it polite to respect bans? I think it's like entering through a window in a house I am not wanted... I would not do that in real life... so why to make it in virtual life? --Acey &bull; gossip. 18:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

How near are we to machines that mimic telepathy? Proxima Centauri 08:56, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I am reading your story. It's very nice and builds much intrigue. The parts about the "punishment" to that hacker alien are quite funny. Good work! --Acey &bull; gossip. 18:41, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

The Aliens of the Flaming Red Sun
Sorry for changing the British spellings to American I just wanted it to be consistent throughout. By the way what happened to the Purple Eye Stalks character? He/she seems to disappear in the new section after being referred to in the introduction. Does Purple get on the ship, and if so why is he/she not seen? Thorenn 19:07, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Purple is an engineer, he's working instead of paying for his passage and helping with the engines. Later he'll get back to Blue Tentacles and meet Blue's adopted family. Proxima Centauri 20:18, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Um....
Hey. Do you think that we could be friends again? --User:God’sGirl94 God’sGirl94 ]] Sign my guestbook 19:33, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

If you stop trying to turn us into a Bible Belt website we can get on alongside each other. Proxima Centauri 19:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I will do my best. However, whenever I think that something is wrong, I go WAY overboard trying to fix it. I want to pretend like this never happened.--God&#39;sGirl94 19:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

We can't pretend it never happened. I will always know that you are likely to try and fix what I write. You have to understand that American Bible Belt values are not the same as values in the Rest of the United States/North America or in the rest of the world. Proxima Centauri 08:17, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

>I go WAY overboard trying to fix it

Let me tell you that was your mistake, to try to fix things. When you started apologizing, I, Davichito, thought it was feeding the fire. The best in such situations is to remain silent, as I did and everything went fine, imho. As I have said before, sometimes the best way to fix something is a lack of action. It's wiser, I guess. --Acey &bull; gossip. 13:07, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I am helping myself. I was Davichito, but I am using a new account. I thought I had mentioned it before... maybe I forgot. --Acey &bull; gossip. 16:08, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I had said that, see:

>...In case I have not mentioned it, I am the same one who created the story; I lost my old account so now I use this one and I want to continue the collaboration in that story. --Acey &bull; gossip. 16:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, I have NO idea what Bible Belt is.--God&#39;sGirl94 16:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

The Bible Belt Proxima Centauri 07:44, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh. Well, I'm not a member of that.--God&#39;sGirl94 14:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

new collaboration project
I just wanted to make sure you are aware of Wiki fiction stew. If you have time, please join in. --JWSchmidt 04:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll take note but at the moment I'm researching forced marriage for The Aliens of the Flaming Red Sun, I've located Shakespeare's The Taming of the Shrew as an example of a forced marriage by a very good creative writer who lived at a time when such marriages were accepted. I don't know how much Ill be writing today but I'll be very busy reading. Proxima Centauri 06:00, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, the collaboration project is on wiki time...we are looking at about April 18 for the start of phase I writing, and participants will be able to join at any time even after it starts. Forced marriage, eh? I sometimes just skip the marriage part. --JWSchmidt 06:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * We now have enough participants to start planning the plot for "Wiki fiction stew". --JWSchmidt 04:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi. What's up?-- God’sGirl94 Sign my guestbook 16:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Recent changes should show you what's up.Proxima Centauri 17:01, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Sky is up but it's relative. --Micaelus 17:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh. I meant what's up with you...if you want to tell me.-- God’sGirl94 Sign my guestbook 18:04, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Please stop running after me here and at Wikipedia, I feel we both need a break.Proxima Centauri 18:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Proxima, put her on mental /ignore. --Micaelus 19:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Writing is an odd habit that seems quite transient if left free to tend itselfUser:Serprex 01:28, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Long time no see you around. When you come back, take a look at Collaboration_2009. And I would like to tell you that I'm ready to resume collaboration on The Lord of the wikis, too. --Davinci - talk 19:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I've been busy with other wikis but I'll come back. Proxima Centauri 20:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Nice. Me too. It's hard to keep writing fiction all year long. --Davinci - talk 18:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

You've noticed that slavery features in The Aliens of the Flaming Red Sun, well I've been writing about real life slavery and abuse on various other wikis with various usernames among other things. When you read about Modern slavery you can see how fortunate we are to be free and I feel I should use at least some of my free time drawing people's attention to this abuse. Proxima Centauri 19:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

So this world is not that "modern", after all. Interesting. --Davinci - talk 18:56, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Deletion
I am planning to publish The Lord of the Wikis. As it's a collaborative effort, I will only ask for the deletion of the chapters/parts I wrote and leave yours intact. Your parts are stand alone, I guess, and you could write the story you mentioned to me once in a talk page. I hope there is no problem with what I'll do but I have to since the idea is that readers only found The Lord of the Wikis in the book I will publish. --Davinci - talk 16:24, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I put the deletion templates. Please make sure I am not requesting the deletion of your content. I moved your content to chapter 4 from chapter 3. So the 2 chapters that will stay are yours: chapters 4 and 5. Is that ok? --Davinci - talk 16:33, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think you put delete templates onto my work but I'm sorry you want to delete a good story. Proxima Centauri 18:39, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's a good story but since I am planning to publish it... I have no other alternative. The story can be developed farther, you can build on the 2 chapters you wrote and the big idea you had about Angie and Mark together. I could even help with that part, if I feel inspired. I mean, for me the story is not over... what I cannot really do is the story I want to publish and this story have the same content. The Lord of the Wikis has chapters 4 and 5, we could resume work from there.

Anyway, the story was already forked since I wanted to put more emphasis on Mark being completely alone in the world... Think of it as if I'm just moving my content elsewhere but the story is not over. We can resume collaboration on that one, if you wish.

Well, I said too many things I don't know if you will understand what I mean. --Davinci - talk 18:50, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

administrator
2009-08-03 Yunzhong Hou changed group membership for User:Proxima Centauri from rollback to AdministratorsThanks for your contributions to this wiki and your willingness to help with admin chores. --JWSchmidt 15:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!!! Proxima Centauri 17:54, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

"What do admins do here?" <-- Sometimes people make a spelling error in a page name or rename a page to a better name and then request that a poorly-named page be deleted. In general, care should be taken in deleting pages and usually the old page can remain as a redirect page. In my view, page deletion is for removing pages that are made by vandals. As an admin you can edit pages in the MediaWiki namespace such as MediaWiki:Sitenotice. Sometimes a persistent vandal needs to blocked from editing. --JWSchmidt 16:51, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Urth
One option for short story ideas is to list them at Complete'em. --JWSchmidt 06:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

glitch
"a computer glitch" <-- What page or pages were you editing when the content failed to save? --JWSchmidt 18:16, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I've had no trouble saving edits but they aren't in Recent Changes. Proxima Centauri 19:09, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh! On the recent changes page try clicking on the "500" for "show last 500 changes". --JWSchmidt 19:57, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

spam
spam <-- I did not follow those links. If they have content that might be of interest to people at this wiki, then I don't really care. Did you follow the links? --JWSchmidt 17:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

No. Proxima Centauri 18:37, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry
I am completely sorry about the category. I didn't realize I did it. I still don't know how it happened. All I did, (I thought I did), was add a new sentence. I'm still new to this wikia thing (I joined yesterday) and I'm still getting used to things. I'm sorry for any inconvenience my inexperience caused. I'll try to be careful in the futrue. AlwaysBeingDifferent 20:54, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The user did not remove it, just added a new sentence and moved the category to the end. I reverted your revertion because AlwaysBeingDifferent's content had been lost... And as the user says he/she is new, I guess it's the new editor who caused it. It might move categories to the end. In any case, good faith helps. --Davinci - talk 22:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

It seems the user did no harm. Proxima Centauri 06:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

What does my liking have to do with anything?User:Serprex 03:49, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I'ven't read, therefore I'ven't the slightestUser:Serprex 21:32, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Vandals
I don't think it matters if they've just vandalised your work, it's still vandalising the wiki so I think it's OK to block them without it being abusing your sysop power. OK, so I'm not an administrator (mainly because the other admins here seem to have forgotton about my nomination), but in the end, they are being a vandal. -- M  e  l  o  n   24  7  17:03, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

anon
I'm sorry that you were subjected to this. I doubt if there will be more edits from 217.42.67.144 but I went ahead and made a block on editing from that IP address. --JWSchmidt 17:06, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

A Big Fat Thank You for Your Query about the Real Trolls of This Wiki
I would love to send a big and fat "thank you" for exposing the real trolls around this Wiki because like I said, "I am not a troll or anything like it." Ericthebrainiac 20:20, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, Proxima Centauri for reading my story and commenting on it and exposing the real trolls around this wiki. Ericthebrainiac 20:20, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Page deletion
For a page like Peter Grant that is doing no harm there is no need to rush towards deletion. We should ask: was this page created by mistake or does the person who created it plan to add story content to the page? A message could be left at User talk:Iandaking asking if they want the page deleted. --JWSchmidt 13:52, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Why The Other Editors of This Wiki Avoid Me When it Comes to My Beloved Girlfriend
Excuse me, Proxima Centauri, but I have a problem.

Why when it comes to my stories, why do all of the other editors want to avoid working with me when I even talk about my stories? Would you please tell me why? Ericthebrainiac 20:45, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

None of the collaborative fiction has been coming out well and I thought My Beloved Girlfriend was better than the others. My Beloved Girlfriend is the most popular story on this wiki and that says something. Perhaps you are expecting too much. If you want serious criticles I don't like the extreme violence in My Beloved Girlfriend but it seems to be some kind of satire that Americans understand and I don't. Clearly the story reaches a wide audience. Proxima Centauri 06:35, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it's because you keep asking people to help all the time so they get fed up. Just a guess. -- M  e  l  o  n   24  7  18:47, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

computers
Sorry to hear you are dealing with a computer problem. A few years ago I had a computer "in the shop" for almost a month before they gave up and sent me a new replacement computer. I hope you do not suffer that long. --JWSchmidt 18:25, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

I hope so too. Proxima Centauri 08:28, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Hello There!
Hello there, Proxima Centauri! Ericthebrainiac 19:12, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

vandalism
I think there is a difference between vandalism and edits that are misguided, unwelcome or ill-considered. Edits that do not seem constructive or that do not seem to fit in with the goals of this wiki should be discussed. In particular, it is worth trying to have a discussion with people who are making questionable edits. I suspect that edits from 96.248.158.237 and 96.248.171.232 are from the same person. We could investigate the relationship between the person making these IP edits and the person using the [http://fiction.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Twisted_Inc. Twisted Inc.] account. Feel free to revert edits that are not constructive attempts to write fiction and try to engage the person who made the questionable edits in a discussion. Remember, some people are very young when they discover wiki and they might not know what is going on when they start editing. Being clueless is not the same as being a vandal. --JWSchmidt 14:34, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

A similar user has turned up here. A Google search reveals that others have been speculating about his speculative animals as well so they stay in Speculative Evolution Wiki Proxima Centauri 06:36, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

page deletions
If you have any doubt when deleting a page then it might be best to start a discussion at Forum:Pages for Deletion. --JWSchmidt 17:20, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

That could be a good idea in many cases but I'm wary of feeding trolls. Proxima Centauri 07:21, September 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Some times it is not easy to look at an edit (or a few edits) and distinguish between someone who is trying to be disrupt a wiki community and someone who is new to wiki and exploring what they can do with the edit button. If there is doubt about an editor's intentions then it can be useful to try to engage the editor in a discussion. If an editor is not willing to discuss their questionable edits then it might make sense to assume the worst about their intentions. Some people are simply clueless, but if you talk to them they might be able to learn what is going on and start participating constructively. --JWSchmidt 13:45, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

thanks
thanks for the reply i just hope people will not see my nickname as a blasphemy

Categories. In the edit view, there are the categories over the submission bar. These category blocks have Xs. These Xs are what you seekUser:Serprex 02:14, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Deleting categories
Removing categories from pages. If you go to a Wikia wiki page and click on the "Edit this page" button at the top then down below the lower right corner of the edit window there should be a link for "Code view". Click on that link and then the existing categories will be shown as wiki markup and you can delete a category.

Sorry I have not been around...this is a busy time of year for me in the real world. I never got the email you sent. How did you send the email? --JWSchmidt 13:35, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

NeverUser:Serprex 17:43, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

You've Got the "Aliens" Part Right, But....
Proxima Centauri, you have gotten the "aliens" part right, but I was hoping that they were not "space aliens", but they were "Illegal aliens" from Mexico, Colombia or any other foreign countries in this world. Ericthebrainiac 15:14, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

The reason that I am correcting you is because of the current events in history that I keep up with. Ericthebrainiac 15:14, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

ecommerce
I usually try to ignore strange edits by people editing from an IP address, but maybe we need a welcome template specifically for such editors....a welcome that would suggest that they register a user account and try participating in the community. Maybe the template could have a polite way of asking "what the hell were you thinking with that edit you made?" --JWSchmidt 20:34, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

lordy lordy
For now, the best forum is probably his talk page. Try to clearly communicate all of your concerns and suggestions directly to this editor. --JWSchmidt 13:32, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

To your response, "Yes".
If you were asking if I was writing a Halo fan-fiction, yes, I'm working on the sequel to it as we speak. Oh, and what are the tags for a reference? Is it just the link? --Davian Ambrosius Compton(Counsel) 23:48, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

If you copy something from another site it should be referenced to prevent accusations of plagiarism, also what you write is more suited for Halopedia. How about writing a story about Captain or Colonel Moran and if it's something you thought up for yourself that's better. Proxima Centauri 08:35, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

What You Think of My Beloved Girlfriend So Far
So far, I have completed 23 chapters of My Beloved Girlfriend where in Chapter 20, we see Justina go completely insane until Chapter 23 where the entire city of Sea City, Florida was in the middle of the 2010 earthquake that destroyed the entire city and its citizens have moved to the fictional Indiana city of Ocean Shores until the year 2020 where everything in Sea City, Florida was heavily built and heavily armored with the world's strongest steel ever and Justina showed signs of her sanity coming back to her, that is until two orderlies named Steveanna Simpson and Maria Kimberly Smith decided to further enrage her by killing off every single member of her families, the Kingstones and the Pattersons. Ericthebrainiac 13:17, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

What do you think about My Beloved Girlfriend so far? Ericthebrainiac 13:17, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

The reason for asking is because if my story needed some extra plots and twists, you can write those plots and twists for me, won't you? Ericthebrainiac 13:17, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Your story includes at least one earthquake so you can include at least one Earthquake swarm and don’t forget Aftershocks affecting the traumatized victims of each Earthquake. How about an Earthquake storm? How about a team of seismologists who come to study the earthquake/earthquakes, ostensibly to learn about earthquakes and save lives in the future? Perhaps some/all the seismologists are excited by researching geology and insensitive to the earthquake victims. The victims see the seismologists as like vultures swooping down for information in the middle of their catastrophe. Proxima Centauri 15:13, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

My Beloved Girlfriend is the most popular story in this wiki but I think it needs Americans who understand United States culture better than I do. Proxima Centauri 13:24, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

No.
I'm in the middle of some work at the moment, but I will take a look at the story later today. --JWSchmidt 16:23, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

You've really improved No. Proxima Centauri 09:41, November 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm still not certain about a backstory involving previous interaction between Ninjorph and "Blinky" near Eta Carinae, but I suppose not everything needs to be explained. --JWSchmidt 18:08, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Ericthebrainiac wrote that section though I suggest that you write something if you feel inspired. Proxima Centauri 06:47, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

About Creating A New Article About Sea City, Florida
Okay, so, I deleted everything I have ever written about Sea City, Florida because I wanted to create a whole new article about Sea City, Florida because I need a few people, namely you, to help me write a whole new article about Sea City, Florida from its origins to is businesses. Ericthebrainiac 19:11, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

I know that you don't know anything about Florida or anything like that, but would you at least try to put some things about Sea City, Florida into the new article for me, please? Ericthebrainiac 19:11, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

You Can Write About How Sea City, Florida Came Into Existence
I don't want you to write on how religion could be harmful, but you may write about how Sea City, Florida came into existence, though. Ericthebrainiac 02:38, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Do you want to do that instead of writing about how religion could be harmful? Ericthebrainiac 02:38, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Let's Use Those Characters In The Storyline About Justina and Her Families
Yes, let's use Rosemarie White and her boyfriend in a storyline involving Justina Kingstone and everyone surrounding her in which she would go completely insane again thanks to Steveanna Simpson and Maria Kimberly Smith. Ericthebrainiac 12:44, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

So, yeah, Proxima Centauri, let's use those two characters in a future storyline about serial killers that involve Justina and everybody else in Paradise County, Florida. Ericthebrainiac 12:44, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

I REALLY, REALLY LOVE this idea. Ericthebrainiac 12:44, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Her boyfriend isn't Fred West as he's dead. Rosmarie may imagine or believe that West is her boyfriend. Perhaps Rosmarie is an inpatient, outpatient at a psychiatric facility where Justina is. Perhaps Rosmarie has a different boyfriend. Proxima Centauri 13:07, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Ways to Get Justina Kingstone So Mad, She Loses Touch With Reality
Okay, so, my way of getting Justina Kingstone so mad that she loses touch with reality completely is that her families, the Kingstones and the Pattersons, get tortured, beaten and shot to death by terrorist group from Iran called Al-Destroiya. Ericthebrainiac 21:17, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

What are your ways of getting Justina Kingstone so mad that she loses complete control of reality? Ericthebrainiac 21:17, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

I'm pleased you're getting on well with your very popular story but now I feel it's time to concentrate on The Aliens of the Flaming Red Sun, after all that's the second most popular story on this wiki and Novelas will benefit if there is more than one type of popular story to attract more than one type of reader. Proxima Centauri 07:04, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia substance abuse can increase the likelihood of schizophrenia so perhaps Justina messed with illegal substances. Proxima Centauri 08:40, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Let's Do It On Monday
Yes, ma'am, Proxima Centauri, I may help you with Poopergeist, but we are going to have to wait until Monday while my family is at college or at work when I actually have my house to myself. Ericthebrainiac 17:56, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Do we want to do that instead of me doing Poopergeist this weekend? Ericthebrainiac 17:56, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

That looks like a good idea and it gives Millenian time to come back with any input. Proxima Centauri 18:33, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Poopergeist
It looks like fun, but I lead a sheltered life...I've seen none of the listed films. --JWSchmidt 19:23, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

I haven't seen them either but Millenian can deal with that part of it, also Wikipedia almost has material on all the films. Proxima Centauri 08:07, November 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * It would probably be a good idea if you watched at least the Poltergeist film, then you can get a general idea where the plot is headed. Otherwise it can get confusing (the crowd of ghosts doesn't appear until much later in the story) If you have some time click the YouTube link I posted above where you can watch the whole film for free. Millenian 03:19, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Nice work! It's coming along beautifully! Millenian 01:29, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Convenient fact: Patrick Swayze (the guy who starred in Ghost) was a former Scientologist! This will come in handy Millenian 17:42, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Swayze was a former Scientologist, he had other weaknesses like alcoholism and chain smoking which contributed to his early death from cancer. There were good points in Swayze's character as well especially the fight he put on towards the end of his life to help other cancer sufferers. Proxima Centauri 08:03, December 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey yeah, sorry about that, I've been real busy and I've been forgetting to get on and edit. We don't need to restart at all, I just need to go over, correct some inconsistencies and maybe delete a few unecessary items that always have a way of creeping into my writing. I would like to finish this project though, it will be one of the few that I actually do. Millenian 02:19, December 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually I wasn't going to put a whole lot of redneck stuff in that part...but now that you mention it, perhaps I should. I added the bit about the crowd of Scientologist ghosts, perhaps you could elaborate on it since you tried to add it at the beginning of the story. Millenian 01:34, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

I need to research every death carefully to avoid possible legal action from the Scientologists so I'll add more slowly. You can write you type of work and I'll add material from time to time when I've got something. Frankly the story of Lisa McPherson] is so upsetting it needs something lighter to set it off or readers won't enjoy Poopergeist. Proxima Centauri 07:08, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Xenu
That's some awesome stuff man! Hope to see more contribs from you! This'll be a great story I can tell! Maybe we could make Xenu the evil villain instead...Millenian 19:12, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * In case you haven't seen the films, there's an evil cult leader named Henry Kane who entraps the spirits of his followers in a cavern far below the Freelings' house. He's greedy, sadistic and power-hungry and wants utter control of his followers...and I thought that sounded a lot like a certain other cult leader we both know of, so I replaced him with L Ron Hubbard. :D Millenian 21:20, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Which inspires you more? I hope Hubbard stays important because I want to warn people not to get involved with Scientology and Hubbard is more closlely associated with it. Xenu can be the chief villain who's somehow escaped from the electronic mountain trap or he's still confined but has succeeded in broadcasting over the television from the trap and ofcourse wants to get out. if Xenu is the arch villain then Hubbard minds a great deal that he must take second place. Proxima Centauri 08:15, November 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well seeing as how Xenu is a creation of Hubbard then Hubbard will be the main villain...Xenu can be like his manifestation. Like "The Beast" in the film. Millenian 01:30, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

I agree that Xenu is a frightening manifestation of Hubbard's sick imagination. Proxima Centauri 07:28, November 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Haha! Hubbard actually wrote that?? He really was nuts! Millenian 02:35, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

Do these pictures of Xenu inspire you? Proxima Centauri 18:32, November 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * I note some inconsistencies in the story as of now...so what we could do is have this just be a rough draft of sorts, and once it's finished we could touch it up and fix up the inconsistencies and then let that be the final version. Millenian 22:42, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

What are the inconsistencies? If there are inconsistencies about Scientology that can show that this rubbish belief system is irrational and inconsistent. Proxima Centauri 09:16, December 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Definitely so, when Carol Ann is rescued from the Other Side we could have the spirits of murdered Scientologists present communicating with Zelda Rubinstein's character. That part is coming up soon. Millenian 02:37, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

These deaths can be described as sensitively as the way poor little Gohrlay died. Proxima Centauri 07:27, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you can just carry on writing and I'll fit in scientology material later. I'm very busy with that frightened little execution victim, Gohrlay at the moment and I haven't written anything in The Aliens of the Flaming Red Sun since it was featured. I'll come back to Scientoligeist - The Curse of Xenu later but that will need a great deal of research. It could be good if you write plenty parodying the films etc while I concentrate on Scientology material as I know more about Scientology and you know more about the films. Perhaps you can give me opportunities to write first person narratives where ghosts describe how they died. Third person narratives about a death are easy but outside a ghost story a first person narrative along lines like, “This is how I died.” is difficult. That would make an unusual touch. Proxima Centauri 15:24, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Catching Up To My Beloved Girlfriend
So, I see that you are catching up to My Beloved Girlfriend because my story is at Chapter 27 and yours is at Chapter 12. Ericthebrainiac 02:08, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe tomorrow and Tuesday, I could help you along in Chapter 12 of The Start of Eternity and you may help me along in Chapter 27 of My Beloved Girlfriend. Ericthebrainiac 02:08, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Do you want to do that tomorrow and Tuesday when we have time and when our families leave our houses? Ericthebrainiac 02:08, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Did you mean to leave this message on the talk page of JWSchmidt? Proxima Centauri 08:02, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

I Forgot
I forgot to send the message to JWSchmidt so would you send that message about "Catching Up To My Beloved Girlfriend" to his talk page, please with a cherry on top. Ericthebrainiac 15:03, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

I already informed him but I'll copy it to his talk page. Proxima Centauri 17:56, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * If there is any doubt, I'm always open to collaboration. The Start of Eternity is a rather ambitious fanfiction project, since it builds on Asimov's work. Anyone who wants to help with The Start of Eternity should read the meta pages. As I've said before with respect to My Beloved Girlfriend, my interests are fairly narrowly centered on science fiction...I seldom surface for other genres. --JWSchmidt 20:47, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

wiki collaboration
Thanks for your message on my talk page. I seldom read the talk pages of other editors, so I am not in a good position to judge if Ericthebrainaic is causing trouble by aggressively recruiting collaborators. If you have made that determination then I suggest that you clearly describe your concerns on User talk:Ericthebrainiac. I think that we need to find new and better ways to promote interaction and collaboration between participants at this wiki. Collaborative fiction provides a starting point. Maybe that page needs a section called "Dos and Don'ts of collaboration". Maybe Ericthebrainiac could start a Guild for the genre he is interested in. If we all organized ourselves around Guilds that we are interested in, then maybe we could have some standardized invitation templates that could be used on talk pages. For example, there could be one like

The Fan Fiction Guild invites you to explore Fan Fiction at Novelas and collaborate with other fanatics!I'm looking for collaborators at Moon Reyes. Happy editing! --JWSchmidt 14:34, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

This would provide models for polite invitations to potential collaborators and we could have rules such as: "invite once, then do not badger people."

I hope the trouble stops now and plan to do nothing more unless badgering restarts. Proxima Centauri 17:55, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

The Grandfather Paradox
The changes you made are interesting, but not quite what I had in mind, my ideas are more about the grandfather paradox itself and have nothing to do with scientology.

These ideas would probably be better off in a seperate article.

--M.W.Peacey 18:29, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Eternity
Thanks for your edits to The Start of Eternity. Did you intend to remove the very small first page section, the short message to readers that included an invitation to potential collaborators? Also, you removed the page section called "Vortex" and the navigation template....do you have a plan or was that inadvertent? --JWSchmidt 14:41, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

It was inadvertent. Proxima Centauri 14:47, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

New changes. I like the inclusion of Gohrlay's thoughts and fears about death. Hopefully this is psychologically realistic and will help readers become emotionally involved with Gohrlay. As described in the meta pages, this scene takes place in about 11,166 BP, long before humans turn their fertile minds to "condemned prisoners being led to the gallows, to the electric chair, the gas chamber, the lethal injection". Rather than have the anachronistic references, I tried to substitute something gruesome that Gohrlay had previously seen on Earth. --JWSchmidt 17:24, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

I tried to make it psychologically accurate though different people react differently to execution. Reactions depend partly on the physical courage of the victim but also on how much fear the executioners want to cause.

Typically an execution makes the prisoner more frightened than he/she has ever been before. We know that from the victims of fake executions, also from people who survived in situations when they expected to die. Comments like, “I was more frightened than I have ever been in my life.” are common. Prisoners more often than not can go through execution without a hopeless irrational struggle unless the executioners want a struggle, for example to entertain the crowd during a public execution. During most executions restraints are used to encourage compliance and only exceptionally brave people can stay controlled during execution without restraints. In this story the nanites are the restraining force and physical restraints are not needed. Proxima Centauri 11:05, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your edit to The Start of Eternity. I replied to your questions on this page. --JWSchmidt 00:19, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

boyfriend <-- I've made no decisions about the nature of Gohrlay's relationships with close friends or family members. She can only remember her more casual acquaintances because the nanites in her brain have suppressed her memories of close friends and family. Gohrlay is actually the second positronic robot. Nahan is briefly introduced in the second page section and there is some information about Gohrlay's interactions with Nahan while she is still thinking about participation in the mind downloading experiment (see here). There is more information about Nahan and his interactions with R. Gohrlay starting in Chapter 15. One of Gohrlay's goals is to start manufacturing more positronic robots, but at first there is only R. Gohrlay and R. Nahan. R. Nahan was given a male body long before Gorlay was recruited to participate in the mind downloading experiment. R. Nahan only starts to have a human-like mind after R. Gohrlay's positronic circuits are copied into his positronic circuit array.

So far I've imagined that there was a much more active robotics project a couple of hundred years previous to Gohrlay's time. During that earlier time, male and female robotic bodies were designed by humans who tried to copy the robotic bodies of the Orbhos. I imagine that the robotic bodies of the Orbhos were designed so as to be "anatomically correct" and make it possible for them to engage in human sexual behavior. I'm not sure if that would have been a priority for the members of the positronic robot development project.

Spleve
Spleve could be the first positronic robot that is designed by R. Gohrlay and R. Nahan. My current thinking is that new positronic brains would be made by copying positronic circuits from previously existing positronic brains. Possibly Spleve's brain could be made by combining parts of the brains of R. Gohrlay and R. Nahan. It might also be possible that R. Gohrlay could recruit another human to go through the mind downloading process. --JWSchmidt 00:45, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

I imagined Spleve as a human who falls in love with a robot. Proxima Centauri 04:13, January 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * So much for my powers of observation! I now see that you said Spleve is a man. "Spleve helps R Gohrlay handle bad memories and flashbacks from what she remembers of Human Gohrlay’s past." <-- I really like the idea that R.Gohrlay is able to recover some memories that, as Gohrlay the human, had been blocked from her conscious recall (by nanites). "bad memories" <-- in addition to recovering her memories of facing death, R. Gohrlay might also be able to remember being told by Doltun that she will have many of her most precious memories erased. Maybe there was a period of time during which the nanites were systematically working their way through Gohrlay's memory and she could feel everything that was important to her gradually being taken from her mind. Regaining those memories in a disjointed way (as R. Gohrlay) could be something that the poor robot would really need help with, and something that Klempse might be unable to deal with. Maybe Spleve could be be something like a psychologist. Asimov wrote a series of stories featuring Susan Calvin, a Robopsychologist. Maybe Spleve could be modeled on Steven Pinker, and be a psychologist who Klempse calls on for help because R. Gohrlay is having flashbacks that are upsetting her. "she was clearly more interested in displaying herself than in forming attachments" <-- Can you explain what you mean? --JWSchmidt 05:53, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

No normal woman would willingly show her legs and her whole body to a man she despises as Gohrlay does to Doltum. I was thinking of Spleve as an inexperienced boy and the two match because Gohrlay after her memories were wiped is girl like. Spleve looks like the type of bright kid who may have read any number of psychology books or read psychology stuff online. While I’ve been offline after I contacted you last I’ve developed things. Gohrlay and Spleve are at the getting to know each other stage when Gohrlay spills something onto her long gown. Remember she’s telepathic and she now knows how far those short skirts cheapen her. Spleve, eager to get her clothes off and get further says something like, “It’s OK honey, I’ve got a wash machine, come on it’s here.” Spleve takes Gohrlay to the washroom, opens the door and with a hand gently on Gohrlay’s shoulder urges her in. Well if that washing machine is anything like our front loading washing machines it looks just a little bit like a scanner and can trigger a flashback. Gohrlay is confused and frightened, it takes time before she realizes that she’s safe with Spleve and Doltum isn’t trying to force her into the scanner room. Spleve is also confused and perplexed, he can’t understand why his wonderful girl is suddenly afraid of him and rejecting him. Once Gohrlay can understand what’s real and what isn’t she explains about the flashback and soon both are sitting on Spleve’s bed while Gohrlay gets relief telling him in detail what happened and Spleve comforts her. When she’s finished Gohrlay probes Spleve’s mind and finds out she’s harmed him. Spleve’s also part of the revolutionary movement and knows he could face execution if caught. His revolutionary leader has said things like, “If it happens it’s very unpleasant but it doesn’t last long and it’s best not to think too much about it.” Now that Spleve knows in more detail what will happen and he fears he won’t stop thinking about it. He fears he won’t work bravely for the revolution, his leaders and his mates will look down on him and his girl won’t respect him. First law isn’t programmed into R Gohrlay as tightly as it will be with later robots but she still needs to try and prevent the harm. Spleve has wrapped an arm round her making her feel better and she can feel he wants to get to her breasts. She hasn’t let him do that yet as it’s early in the relationship but she hopes letting him will reduce harm.

In a short while Spleve wants to do very much more and Gohrlay reduces the harm to him further by letting him. It’s quite painful as Spleve’s sexually inexperienced and doesn’t know how to get through a maidenhead gently. In a short while Spleve is thrusting his powerful young thighs against hers and Gohrlay’s enjoying that rock hard young ***** inside her. Gohrlay’s so grateful to the robot manufacturers that they gave her so many sensitive sensors in that important area. Spleve forgets his concerns for the moment as he’s overcome with excitement that he’s got that girl he longed for but Spleve’s inexperienced and he comes too soon. Gohrlay feels unfulfilled and wonders if it was too early in the relationship for all that. Spleve asks her if he’s really the first and she assures him he is. “But my mates say when a girl hasn’t done it often she doesn’t get very excited and you did. What’s happening?” Gohrlay doesn’t know what human Gohrlay did as Doltum wiped many of her memories, Gohrlay remembers how to respond but doesn’t remember how she learnt it. “That Doltum’s a brute!” Spleve tells her in a rage. Spleve gets very angry and protective to his precious girl and find he can do it a second time. This time both are fulfilled. Proxima Centauri 10:43, January 4, 2010 (UTC) There could be a psychologist with a younger brother, still at college who is Spleve so Gohrlay and Spleve just hit it off, I didn’t think of it that way but it could work.

Spleve is about 18 to 20 when they first meet and the relationship lasts about ten years. Spleve grows and matures as a human being but Gohrlay doesn’t mature normally, she learns, without the capacity to learn she would be inefficient. R Gohrlay stays basically the same girl that human Gohrlay was when she died as she’s programmed to be like that. For example she knows that she shouldn’t cheapen herself by displaying her body but that doesn’t stop her wanting to and being frustrated if she can’t or feeling guilty about betraying Spleve if she does. For the first five years or so Spleve feels it’s wonderful that his girlfriend/wife (we haven’t decided which) is still the young girl he first met. Gradually this changes, Spleve thinks less about how good it is that they don’t need contraceptives and minds more that they can’t have children. At first he loves it that his partner is as young and beautiful as she was when they first met but as he shows the first signs of aging he starts worrying that Gohrlay will go off with a younger man. Spleve becomes a more mature man but Gohrlay stays like a teenager in many respects. Eventually Spleve leaves her for an “older” woman”, Spleve chooses an age compatible human woman who is emotionally as mature as he is, can carry on maturing with him and above all can give him children. Proxima Centauri 14:29, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Comments on Spleve:

"No normal woman would willingly show her legs and her whole body to a man she despises as Gohrlay does to Doltum." <-- In my thinking (see this meta page), Gohrlay's behavior is quite similar to that of modern humans on Earth, but there are some significant differences. I do not mind depicting some of the behaviors of Doltun and Gohrlay and their contemporaries on the Moon as "abnormal" from our perspective. Gohrlay's people just are not that interested in wearing clothing and they do not mind if other people see their bodies. We can assume that Gohrlay was wearing some clothing in bed, just not enough to satisfy Doltun who is from the Overseer culture, which is more "formal" when it comes to wearing clothing in public.

"Gohrlay after her memories were wiped is girl like" <-- I like the idea of R. Gohrlay having to start out with a child-like mind.

psychology on the Moon. I imagine that most of the people living on the Moon during Gohrlay's time are genetically modified. As discussed here, gene variants that cause susceptibility to diseases like cancer and behavioral disorders have been genetically engineered out of most residents at Observer Base. The underground city has a very stable culture and low levels of behavioral problems...there just is not much demand for psychologists and most medical problems are handled by "medical nanites", a technology derived from the Huaoshy and kept under the control of the Orbho. Spleve could be a young human with an interest in psychology who is willing to work with Gohrlay

wash machine. I think there are probably quite a few routine tasks that are handled by the nanite technology of Moon Base. Imagine a nanoscopic cleaning crew, always on the hunt for spills and stains and capable of removing spills and stains from fabrics, right down to the last few molecules. There might not be washing machines. Having said that, there are many other ways that could be found to trigger a flashback.

revolutionary movement. Within the ranks of the Observers (which is actually a fairly small sub-population in the underground city on the Moon) there is a not-uncommon tendency for Observers to develop a desire to violate the Rules of Observation. This tendency is not prevented because it is actually the function of Observer Base (as defined by the Huaoshy) to slowly alter the path of natural evolution on Earth. In a sense, Observers like Gohrlay who actively violate the Rules of Observation are "revolutionaries", although they can never really establish an organized "movement". Also, the scientists like Klempse constitute a dissident group that does not like the social conditions of Observer Base. They would change things if they could, but they are few in number and tightly controlled by Orbho Anagro and the other Huaoshy agents who really control what happens at Observer Base. It would be fun to use a character like Spleve to develop the idea that among the non-Observer/non-scientist population of Observer Base there are some people who have "revolutionary" ideas. I'm not sure exactly what they might do in order to "face execution if caught".

As I've written the last set of chapters so far (starting here), Gohrlay rather rapidly reassembles her mind and develops her telepathic ability and uses telepathic power to remove Huaoshy control from Observer Base. I think it would be more realist (and interesting) to slow things down. Having a period of time during which R. Gohrlay develops a relationship with Spleve would be a good way of doing that. --JWSchmidt 21:12, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

If I Have No Collaborators...
Okay, so, if I have no collaborators, would you please tell me how I got from My Beloved Girlfriend--Chapter 1 to chapters My Beloved Girlfriend--Chapter 36 and My Beloved Girlfriend--Chapter 37? Ericthebrainiac 17:47, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome to get yourself collaborators so long as you don’t pester people. Meanwhile if you want a helpful suggestion why don’t you get some of your respected characters to do that frightening walk to the electric chair or the lethal injection? Proxima Centauri 18:20, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

I wrote The Aliens of the Flaming Red Sun without collaborators and I’m sure you can. Just write it at a pace that suits you, if you get collaborators that’s a bonus but if you don’t you’re a good creative writer and I’m sure you can manage on your own. It doesn’t have to be as long as War and Peace or The Forsyte Saga. Proxima Centauri 09:57, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

you might be interested
thumb|300px|right|Great moments in fiction. My latest "wiki fiction" blog post: Religion and Science Fiction --JWSchmidt 00:49, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yahweh's delicious creation gives me the creeps. Proxima Centauri 17:45, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Video. Some people have a natural skill for story telling. --JWSchmidt 17:09, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

new page
Thanks for your note and for splitting the first chapter into two pages. I was thinking about doing that yesterday. Image below: some amusing ads....I thought I was writing fiction! --JWSchmidt 19:05, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

HAHAHAH no way! I cannot stop laughing right now xD  The Valader,  Talk/  /Contributions  19:45, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

What's the joke? Proxima Centauri 07:37, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

WhetherTo Write Chapters 40, 41and 42 of My Beloved Girlfriend All By Myself or With Other Editors
Proxima Centauri, I am deciding on whether to write chapters My Beloved Girlfriend--Chapter 40, My Beloved Girlfriend--Chapter 41 and My Beloved Girlfriend--Chapter 42 all by myself or with another editor. Ericthebrainiac 21:44, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

What is the sure-fire way of deciding whether to write Chapters 40, 41 and 42 of My Beloved Girlfriend? Ericthebrainiac 21:44, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

If others agree to help you that's fine, if they don't please don't pester anyone. Proxima Centauri 00:10, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

reply on its way
I see your questions and I will reply soon. This is a busy time for me since we are approaching the end of our current academic quarter. --JWSchmidt 01:20, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

"Do you feel like looking at the story and seeing if you can improve it?" <-- I should be able to catch up with what you have been writing on Friday and I will provide my feedback.

"Did you create the character of an atheist woman facing death so I could identify with her and develop the story?" <-- I was born without a God gene, so I'm not very eager to write about characters who have a personal relationship with g(G)od. I like to try to write about female characters and in the case of The Start of Eternity I have been trying to turn most of Asimov's novel, The End of Eternity on its head. The protagonist in The End of Eternity is male and he existed within a nearly all-male culture. So, I wanted to have a major character in The Start of Eternity who was female, and in particular, I wanted the creator of Eternity to be female. Back in the 1980s I think that both Issac Asimov and his wife got interested in mind transfer. I suspect that poor Isaac probably felt that he could not include human-to-robot mind transfer in his stories after his wife wrote her mind transfer novel. I felt no need to avoid it, so R. Gohrlay was "born". I'm still struggling with Gohrlay as a person...when you started helping with The Start of Eternity I was still trying to complete the plot of the novel and Gohrlay was just a stick figure and place-holder in the plot. I'm very glad that you are "bringing her to life".

"planning to develop the Skydisk Cult" <-- I had no plans to develop it, so feel free to take it in any direction you like.

--JWSchmidt 05:23, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

I'm very glad that you are "bringing her (Gohrlay) to life". Really? I was trying to bring her to death. Proxima Centauri 11:22, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * "trying to bring her to death" <-- Ha ha, ya. I'm still working to complete the plot of The Start of Eternity so the characters are all basically just stick figures and place-holders....except for Gohrlay, who you have managed to give some additional dimensionality.

I'm slowly going through the first chapter. You raise issues that cause me to think about things that I have not previously worried about, so I am moving rather slowly. I've started putting thoughts about some of these issues on the first chapter's talk page.

I see your new questions and I'll respond to those soon. --JWSchmidt 16:42, January 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Gohrlay's team of robots <-- There is room for further development/expansion of the team of robots that works with R. Gohrlay. R. Nahan, R. Fengtol and R. Rycleu are depicted as working with R. Gohrlay, but R. Gohrlay is so far the only named "resident" of the space/time bubble inside the Eternity-like time travel device on the Moon. I've only vaguely thought about additional helpers for Gohrlay who would remain with her in her "workshop", but those "others" could be explicitly described in the story. I only want to limit the number of robots who exist "outside", in Time, and who might potentially reveal to Huaoshy "spys" either the existence of telepathy or the existence of time travel. There could actually be a large number of "helpers" inside R. Gohrlay's "workshop". Some of those helpers might be engaged in research, for example, trying to push ahead with (and catch up to the Huaoshy in-) the development of nanite technology.


 * How old is R. Gohrlay by the time the reader first sees her in the second chapter? I've never decided that exactly, but a very long time has passed between the end of the first chapter and the start of the second chapter. Starting in this chapter some of the early stages of R. Gohrlay's existence are depicted. I want the last part of The Start of Eternity to show 1) how R. Gohrlay discovers her telepathic abilities and liberates humanity from Huaoshy control and 2) how R. Gohrlay learns that time travel is possible and decides to use time travel as a tool to improve the lives of humans (that is what leads to the "Start of Eternity"). The events of the second chapter are not long after the events depicted in Asimov's novel The End of Eternity. I imagine that R. Gohrlay was responsible for the creation of Eternity on Earth and that she spent an extended period of physiotime guiding humans in the use of time travel in an effort to improve the lives of humans far into the future. After much effort, R. Gohrlay finally realized that her use of Eternity was a futile effort: eventually humanity becomes extinct, no matter what. She decides that rather than use time travel, she must let humans expand though the galaxy...only by allowing that spread of people through space and away from Earth will humanity not become extinct. If you look at the timeline, you can see that I have imagined Gohrlay living about 11,166 years BP. It would have taken a while for the time travel device to be constructed and I imagine that R. Gohrlay would have lived for hundreds of years, maybe thousands, before the events depicted in the second chapter.

--JWSchmidt 18:20, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * flashbacks <-- I like the idea that R. Gohrlay might have a persistent problem with her positronic brain. When R. Gohrlay is first created, the positronic circuits are rather crude and her brain circuits occupy a rather large chamber. Eventually, miniaturization allows a positronic brain to fit inside the head of a human-like robot (as depicted by Asimov). Asimov also explicitly wrote about the ability to transfer a positronic robot's memories from an old positronic brain into a newer model of positronic brain. Asimov wrote about that process as if it involved an exact copying of all memories. I've been imagining that R. Gohrlay and R. Nahan would have started making additional robots with positronic brains and that they could have done so by selectively copying parts of their own positronic circuits. I'm not sure if you have gotten to this chapter where I have suggested that R. Gohrlay's positronic brain suffers damage which must be repaired by R. Nahan traveling back in time (from a point in the future after which miniaturized positronic brains exist) and using nanites to repair her positronic circuits. What types of positronic brain problems might be difficult to repair? I'm thinking that R, Gohrlay might particularly prize some of her memories of Observer Gohrlay and be reluctant to alter or repair them even though they contain "defects" that can cause disruptive "flashbacks".

Help
Can you help me write an story about that computer, a computer so great no one could challenge it? --Catherine 23:43, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

This might inspire you though frankly I feel there is likely to be a better story if the computer can be challenged and the outcome of challenges is uncertain. Sorry I am tied up with plenty of fiction that I am writing at the moment and can't easily take on more. Proxima Centauri 23:58, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Try
Well, I will try my hand at writing it. It will be titled Great Computer. Give me more ideas if you can. --Catherine 16:37, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Do space aliens or humans make the computer? Proxima Centauri 17:01, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Space aliens make the computer. Also, it is very powerful. Now please write some ideas for me. --Catherine 14:23, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

I will start writing. --Catherine 19:09, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

i'll take a look later. Proxima Centauri 19:25, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I will be working on a futuristic history piece in the meantime. --Catherine 19:42, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

duplication?
Did this edit duplicate some of the page sections? --JWSchmidt 16:20, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Spleve again
how to add Spleve. <-- In Chapter 15, I included the idea of there being a period of months between the day of Observer Gohrlay's death and the events depicted at the start of Chapter 15. I previously suggested that during that time, Klempse had involved his wife in his efforts to help R. Gohrlay form a stable human-like mind. What I wrote in Chapter 15 about Klempse's wife does not fit with what I later added in Gohrlay's diary about Klempse's wife. Therefor, it would be possible to introduce Spleve in the section of Chapter 15 that is called "Nahan", where it currently talks about Klempse's wife. We could remove all mention of Klempse's wife from Chapter 15 and insert the idea that Klempse recruited Spleve to work with R. Gohrlay. --JWSchmidt 21:17, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Look
Please comment on my Redosian Empire work and read what I have so far. --Catherine 18:15, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

near death experience
Including a near death experience sounds like a very good idea. I've had doubts in my thinking about the desirable state of consciousness during the "mind downloading" process. If the goal is to "scan" Gohrlay's brain structure and "capture" the functional properties of her neural networks then it might be useful to have her remain conscious during the "scanning" process. If she enters into the brain scanning process while she is still conscious then she should feel her normal consciousness being degraded as parts of her brain are scanned and destroyed. A near death experience might be expected under such conditions. --JWSchmidt 19:37, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, when I started I thought a Near Death Experience for Gohrlay was impossible as her brain doesn’t die naturally but since then I’ve found out the Near Death Experience can happen in healthy people who know or believe their lives are in danger. Please, one at the time, Doltun first, I haven’t had time to write yet how he feels the suffering he caused to Gohrlay.

By the way you and I may well have to feel the pain we caused others during out life reviews if we have a Near Death Experience. You don’t need to believe in God to believe this, our own dying brains and our own consciences will judge us. Proxima Centauri 20:02, January 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * how does Doltun feel about Gohrlay's death? <-- I would say that Doltun is a rather hard-hearted police administrator. I added some thought along these lines to Doltun's character description. --JWSchmidt 23:04, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

I will rewrite Doltun's Near Death Experience in a less frightening way and emphasyse that he is rewarded for good things he has done as well as having to face up to harm he has done. I was very wrong to write it the way I did. Proxima Centauri 12:54, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * "wrong" <-- I wonder if you ever read Escape!. Asimov wrote about an insane positronic brain that made a "joke" by giving two people very unpleasant "near-death experiences". --JWSchmidt 16:50, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

I can't remember the whole story but I remember that one of the two suffered a nightmare when he imagined he was being killed or was about to die while the other had to listen to an unstoppable Hellfire preacher.

I was wrong to emphasise the negative side of the life review and it was potentially harmful the way Christian Hellfire preaching too often is harmful. I will carry the memory of that mistake till I die and it could appear in my life review. At least what will appear is that I admitted the mistake and put it right fast before too many people read what I’d written. Proxima Centauri 17:07, January 24, 2010 (UTC)